“So no, you havent seen them. Youre just guessing based on third . opinions.”

But experts have seen them and described them, who was in them, time stamps etc. some people had them thrust in front of them. Why would I see them. They are confidential.

“Camilla Tomineys opinion is worth just as much as any other ley persons opinion, zero.”

Her ‘opinion’ is maybe, but her reputation matters for a lot.

“There can be abuse AND a hygiene issue, both of those can be true. You dont know that they arent. Trial is a mechanism for determining that.”

Certainly. Contradicting yourself yet again. So surely both needed investigating. Neglect is a very dangerous form of child abuse.

“I know a great deal about this case. You are the one with confirmation bias.”

No you really do not.

“No theres a victim, someone abused or neglected that child making them a victim or abuse or neglect.”

The contradiction and wavering of argument is hysterical. You now admit there could be abuse from elsewhere. Again, why was this aspect not investigated?

“A trial process Miss Pedo is evading.”

Ship sailed. Two countries bound by agreements, treaties and the Court of Strasbourg. Article 8 @psyguy. A decision that was not appealed by Türkiye. No evasion. Human rights.

“No, Miss Pedo doesnt have such a ruling on the case. She has a ruling denying her extradition to Türkiye. There has been no ruling on the merits of the case. Miss Pedo is a fugitive as defined by Turkish law, with an active red notice for her arrest and detention.”

Repetitive. We know. No ruling. Innocent until proven guilty. One accusation, contradictory and weak evidence.

We tire of your repetitive and contradictory statements, alongside slander and obvious lack of any knowledge of the actual evidence and circumstances involving this case.

We disagree.

Said ‘worrying photos’ were seen by admin and have been described by experts. They were taken at home. Not at school and go beyond the date of the initial incident by weeks.

Camilla Tominey is a respected journalist who opened with “ I have never met a person more innocent”. Why would she put her reputation at stake?

There are key points that point to lack of hygiene that a parent would be responsible for. A teacher of a 5 year old maintains a routine for the hours in their care. A bus and sleep routine is not their concern.

You know nothing of this case. You were not at any hearings and you are the one with confirmation bias.

It is an alleged victim and an alleged defendant. That is why Türkiye has a trial process. Nobody has been convicted.

You keep reiterating that Türkiye is part of CofE but so is the UK and they are both bound by human rights law. Richardson has a ruling that thinks her basic human rights are best met in her home country. Accept it.

I think by facts @NellyPB is giving you details of evidence and witness statements that have been heard by the court. Details you clearly have not considered.

Again, she will not be prosecuted in absentia because of due process in Turkish law.

I support survivors and all children. But a lengthy laborious trial which MOST people believe is unnecessary is unhelpful to the child.

I think by facts @NellyPB is giving you details of evidence and witness statements that have been heard by the court. Details you clearly have not considered.

Again, she will not be prosecuted in absentia because of due process in Turkish law.

Pathetic opinion. One alleged victim. Enough evidence to clear her.

Wait for the European court.

“In Turkish law, a fugitive (kaçak) is defined as a person who deliberately hides within Turkey or in a foreign country to avoid investigation or prosecution, making it impossible for a public prosecutor or court to reach them.
The status of "fugitive" is a specific legal classification used in criminal procedure, regulated under Article 248 of the Turkish Criminal Procedure Code. “

There are FACTS from court minutes and defendant petitions of how hard they fought to be part of the court proceedings/investigation (through video link, written testament and mutual legal agreement investigations.) I am not repeating my insistence that law enforcement knew of her address or mental illness.

The rest is regressive repetition by yourself @psyguy.

Ho ho ho. That’s not me being festive btw it’s just in response to your ridiculous comparisons and lack of FACTs.

Roll on a judgement in Europe.

https://rednoticemonitor.com/how-turkiy ... ce-system/

“The evidence compelling”.

You clearly have not been in the Turkish or UK courts to form any opinion on the evidence. Further evidence, witnesses and reports have been submitted in both countries. Eminent legal professionals do not think Richardson would be convicted. Also. She was never bailed in Türkiye due to lack of evidence? No new evidence has ever been produced by the claimants?

My ‘opinion’ is based on research and facts. I do not hold a crystal ball. However, I have heard and read all public court documents and spoken to individuals who have been in. Court.

NellyPB and myself speak of support lacking from one specific area. Support that Neil Bantelman very publicly received and did no harm to anybody’s reputation.

Mental Health. Not an excuse. She DID have strict bail conditions and a bond in the UK and the prosecution called for her to be detained. She could have faced further restrictions but has not. Where is the avoidance? The Turkish court actually knew of her UK address as it had been supplied on numerous occasion's. She still had to be arrested rather than allowed to surrender at Westminster.

As yet, the court in Türkiye has not recognised her arrest and extradition case.

Crystal ball. Experience has shown and two eminent Turkish experts made a detailed and informed prediction that Richardson’s case would probably take a further three years to be tried.

@PsyGuy are you an eminent legal professional? Have you read court papers? Have you been or know of anybody who attended court hearings?

Go do Christmas holidays or whatever grinch or Scrooge type things you do when you are out for the holidays.

“I can absolutely compare illnesses and standards. Being ill or having a mental diagnosis is not a pass for criminal activity or behavior, if shes not responsible for her actions as a matter of disease or mental defect she can raise that defense at trial in Türkiye at trial.”

The point is @PsyGuy is that her illness not being used as an “excuse” not to be tried or detained. She could have been detained in the UK, but would have been less of a suicide risk because of family support, no solitary confinement and English speaking psychiatric care. Currently prisoners cannot complete prison sentences in their home country until the end of the criminal proceedings, so that was not an option, either.

She will not be convicted in absentia. She will just become a fugitive.

Who knows if Türkiye will renew a red notice or drop the proceedings due to time limits. Coming up to seven years now?

She is not a fugitive in the UK.

Her local community and the staff she worked for believe in her innocence. You are not informed enough to say just her family are standing by her.

The case is BS. I think you are the one person who believes otherwise, other than the claimants. The evidence. Not compelling g. Flawed. A country too scared of back lash and looking weak to turn a lens on what may really have been happening?

Conjecture often becomes fact.

I’m the one hurling accusations?

I am not labelling an ‘accused’ and mentally unwell person with a hideous nickname.

Incidentally she is still not a fugitive in Türkiye as the trial is still ongoing. Another label you’ve conjured up.

I do not see any evidence to convict Richardson but I have heard many contradictions and reasons not to believe the parent claimants.

I will continue to support this teacher and for all schools to adopt stringent safeguarding, train in crisis management and become trauma informed with regards to their student body and staff.

You cannot reason with the unreasonable @PsyGuy. But you can believe in justice and liberty.

“My opinion is worth just as much as yours is.
The doctors didnt disprove anything, they have an opinion. Miss Pedo may be a better at malingering than they are at assessing.”

@PsyGuy but there opinion is based on assessments and clinical training. Your opinion is therefore extremely weak.

The parent claimants are not the alleged victim and I will tirelessly campaign for Richardson who I believe has been falsely accused. I am also not scared of whistle blowing on a colleague who I really did believe was a safeguarding issue. I also believe if the claimant family had any humanity they’d drop the case. Maybe be they are the ‘real’ criminals in this bizarre episode, because yes, these are extremely serious crimes to falsely accuse a person of.

@PsyGuy

Your ‘opinion’ is nothing as you are not a health professional. Malingering was disproven by both doctors instructed to asses her.

Again your argument just compounds the kafkaesque situation this is. Go back to years of detention as the case progresses through all courts and probably become very very unwell? or stay and be a fugitive? How about the claimants dropping the charges and a new investigation into circumstances being started?

I completely disagree that she would be able to continue as a teacher or a professional after being acquitted due to reputational issues. She’s had her life destroyed.

@PsyGuy
“Of course Id return, Id rather be wrongfully convicted and imprisoned than a lifetime of being a wanted fugitive confined to one region and perpetually unemployed.”

Umm, I think the prison sentence would be 10 years and an automatic ban from teaching and pretty much any profession so it makes no difference. Yes, being a fugitive out of the UK stinks and being an ‘accused’ person is horrific but there are legal remedies that could solve this.

Also, I was not referring to “EU Courts” but the European court in Strasbourg where they will examine court details.

Oh great! You do understand depression exists so how’s this. I believe Dr. Richard Latham and other health professionals assessing the RP DID diagnose her with severe depression at the beginning of her ordeal in 2019. I believe she has sought help and care over the ordeal which were also heard. The prosecution opinion was that Richardson had mild depression when they assessed her once in 2025. They said when returned to Türkiye she would deteriorate but she had a pattern of dealing with her symptoms and she would eventually become well enough to give her defence. Latham disagreed and said that solitary conditions and a lack of support from friends and family would mean her severe depression could continue and she would be more than likely be too sick to give her defence when she returned.

I believe the depression was caused by years of injustice rather than guilt.

@Helitrope @NellyPB with you, I think responding helps get some facts and issues attended to!

@PsyGuy

“Yes, I know Türkiye is part of Europe this is called a fact.
Youre belief the findings and determination in the extradition case are of value to the EU courts is nothing but your internalization of folly and whimsy. You have no basis for your claim that they would be of value outside of England.
Your belief that these actions constitute a human rights violation(s) and would invalidate the findings and conclusions of the Turkish Court are equally fanciful. Theres no offer of support to your claim and they are neither self evident or self authenticating.

Your claim of illness is not debilitating injury but depression, which to the degree presented does not equate to mental incompetence. Miss Pedos sadness does not preclude her from contributing to her defense.
Miss Pedo is being accused of a horrible crime against a child/children which she may well have committed, that this behavior if successfully prosecuted to conviction would result in punishment she finds depressing (as most individuals) would does not absolve her of responsibility, accountability, and liability for the behavior, nor does it absolve her of what would likely be brutal punishment for the offense.
Im sure the child victims suffering would be at least in part, relieved by seeing justice for their assailant.

Other European regions, besides Türkiye have ignored EU courts as well.”

Jailing opposition leaders. Jailing lawyers. Jailing journos or deporting journos… The list goes on. Yes, it’s common pretty much everywhere at the moment but the length of time and and amount differs. Purging…

Aha, you are one of those folk who do not believe depression is an illness. The UK courts did not accept that Assange’s mental health was too fragile to be detained in the US, but they did think the Requested Person in this case was? I cannot really continue an argument if you think depression is sadness. Careful with the Tylenol, now.

Yes, a European court would look carefully at all evidence and a UK ruling. That’s their role. Just like parents, police, child services etc should have an alleged child victim at the centre of an unbiased investigation and truly find out what was going down.

I also think many other posters have tried to tell you that there are no other alleged victims. The claimant parent named a member of staff all the other students in the class and one outside of the class. Class parents, member of staff and the other child all became defence witnesses, not prosecution witnesses. Wait for it… they have all been coerced into lying, or their trauma has prevented them from recalling or relaying events. The RP taught in the UK and I believe HK and Mexican media covered her story. No reports have emerged. This is not Epstein. If it happened it appears to be a complete one off.

PsyGuy wrote:
> @Heliotrope
>
> So this is how rank ordering works. If I have 10 students and their scores
> on an assessment range from the 90th percentile to the 100th percentile,
> one of them or some group of them performed worst (the bottom) compared to
> the others, but the 90th percentile is a pretty high score even if its the
> bottom of the range.
> Out of 142 (or some other X of y) countries someone has to rank at the
> bottom.
>
> The "World Justice Project" and its reports are just the
> publications of some organizations opinion, its no different and no more
> authoritative than anyone elses opinion. Türkiye is still Europe, its not
> Russia or N.Korea.
>
> Political scientists and democracy indexes are likewise just opinions of
> people. America is an authoritarian regime. In England individuals were
> arrested for speech they on social media. Not hallmarks of liberal
> democracy.
>
> Freedom House is just more organizational opinions.
>
> None of these data points were kept from Miss Pedo, she wasnt held at gun
> point and forced to enter or work in Türkiye. She voluntarily and willingly
> put herself in that situation. Its kind of like going to Russia with
> illegal drugs and when bad things happen being surprised. If Türkiye is
> such a bad region, why would Miss Pedo get on the plane.
>
> Miss Pedo doesnt know if the trial would be fair because shes chosen to be
> a fugitive from a European country that issued a lawful warrant and which
> Interpol subsequently issued a red notice for her arrest and detention.
> Shes beaten extradition from England but that doesnt apply to anywhere
> else, or any other EU country.
>
> I wouldnt go to Türkiye in the first place.
> Im highly doubtful you would return to Türkiye willingly if you were
> rightfully and justifiably accused of the same (nor Denmark for that
> matter).

So there are world rankings and then there is actual real time events happening that can also give us insight into a country. I am judging some of my opinion on what I can see happening at the moment.

Your comment about freedom (or hate) of speech in the UK is valid but it is based on a couple of high profile cases and Trumpian spiel, compared to the thousands of forgotten cases being perused in other authoritarian countries.

You are correct that Türkiye is part of Europe and therefore her case can be taken to the European courts. The extradition case then becomes important as I believe that not being able to try a case because of mental health issues and not offering an alternative method of collecting her statement, could be seen as an issue in human rights law. You are being blamed for a trial not being able to continue because you are too sick, so it goes on and on probably making you even sicker. God knows how the child claimant has coped?
Finally, Türkiye has ignored many judgements handed down from Europe over the years.

@PsyGuy there are no figures collected on ‘Turkish’ female perpetrators. Very hypocritical to then start and continue a case against a foreign female.