“Confirmation Bias”

A good point. It might be hard for professionals to believe a ‘normal’ professional family could neglect or abuse a child.

“Alleged” victim.

Yes, why would you take worrying photos?

Why would you want to scapegoat someone?

This is not DARVO. There was a line of investigation that was not followed.

Miscarriages of justice happen everywhere. That is why appeal processes are available and ECHR exists.

Do more miscarriages of justice occur in Türkiye due to political pressure and maintaining ‘face ‘at this moment in time? It’s a point to consider

Do abuse cases mainly happen at home with parents and family? If you really did think about the child claimant, @PsyGuy this point needed examining. No, neither of us were there but I have seen some court documents and spoken to people in court at both trials. Neither of us have seen the photographs that appear ‘worrying’ to professionals. All they needed to do was examine medical forensic evidence and timestamps, but there was also mention of this.

The three day delay in reporting was not because of a five year child and her trauma. She was waiting for her parents to act on her behalf. They were not alleged victims. Where was ‘their’ trauma? Were they/ are they acting in the best interests of their child?

Again. Very factual knowledge on due Process and legal matters. Bar the fact she will not be convicted in absentia.

Zero on actual FACTS of the court case. Counsellors, parents, teachers and staff were alleged to be on campus during the alleged events and abuse. They were interviewed by police and in court. CCTV was presented, too. The parents named witnesses who were supposedly present and knew?

Support the right people.

We have a poster who has researched legal processes and and a poster who has researched details in the court case.

Points for consideration:-

“The European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR), also known as the Strasbourg Court,is an international court of the Council of Europe which interprets the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). The court hears applications alleging that a contracting state has breached one or more of the human rights enumerated in the convention or its optional protocols to which a member state is a .. The court is based in Strasbourg, France.”
I believe both parties will apply to Strasbourg at the end of an appeal in Türkiye. It will be years away. That is not prediction. It is a fact.

Richardson clearly cares little right now about a teaching career and international travel. It is clear (in her own words) she needed to be in a home country for support from her family, to care for her dying father and be near her elderly mother. No. She would not have got to do that if she stayed in Türkiye. The trial process is very long.

You can apply to delete a red notice but there are many applications and many cases are heard in one sitting. It is dependent upon information volunteered by both parties and is not a full hearing.

NOBODY wins an extradition case on not being given a fair trial half way through due process in a member state. Judges will always rule that there are mechanisms to appeal etc.

It has come to light through the Harry Dunn case that the FCO in the UK are at times inept and unhelpful. Again, Richardson wrote to FCO for support and guidance. Of course, they worry more about diplomacy than supporting individuals. Anne Saccoolas? was given a chance to appear by video link in that case. A young adult had been killed but rules were stretched.

Richardson had no bail in 2019 in Türkiye as there was no evidence to hold her. She had bail conditions during extradition as she was a flight risk and needed to attend court. The Istanbul Convention and border control take child abuse cases very seriously. Again, the UK could have placed restrictions on Richardson at any point in the last six years but never have, only bail for extradition.

The mother and child both claimed Richardson abused all children in the class. This is not historic abuse that persons have buried and repressed. Law enforcement, school counsellors and trained psychologists were engaged to assist in the questioning of pupils and their parents.Nobody could corroborate the child’s alleged assault and no other allegations came to light. Witnesses named by the claimants are now witnesses for the defence.

For confidential reasons it is not fair or appropriate to discuss the claimants health issues. Parents of young children and Early years staff would recognise and perceive the symptoms as normal given the background and the fact they persisted for weeks after the alleged assault.

The parents say that the child came home from school with injuries but then waited three days to report it after the child told them of events.

During extradition more detail was given about DNA. It bares no similarities to the stories published in Turkish press and is not really of a concern in the ‘actual’ case. It is an administrative necessity in an arrest, as in the UK. Richardson was in the UK after an order was given to collect samples.

Happy New Year.

I wish the dedicated teaching staff out there good admin and support.

@PsyGuy

If you must, the alleged ‘ miss pedo’ was discharged from extradition under article 8. Basically her mental ILLNESS and unique status of a foreign alleged child abuser would mean she is at risk of suicide whilst being detained. The length of the continuing trial was also in consideration in this ruling. Julia Kozma and Dr Richard Latham were the main experts in this decision.

She has been given non fugitive status in the UK. The judge believed she was reliable and consistent and the dropping of bail conditions and the absence of concrete evidence would allow her to think she may not need to return. He also studied evidence given from 2019 that led him to rule that she was too ill to travel and be uprooted from her support network. Being represented and the attempt to cooperate with law enforcement also aided this court decision. (Knowing an address of a defendant for 6 years? Does that require police knocking at your door or turning up at your employment, or would a date to surrender at Westminster be more appropriate? Opinion, but how ridiculous.)

She does not have fugitive status in Turkiye. The trial has not ended. Statute of limitations will be examined and appeals given. She will obviously appeal again to have her testimony given by video link or by writing. Only then will Turkiye rule that she is an ‘official’ fugitive.

You cannot continue your regressive argument that she needs to return. That door has closed and been bolted tight. You also cannot continue to compare prison standards or stages of illness. She HAS an illness. If it was cancer would she still be criticised for not returning? If it is a recognised illness that means she cannot return then as @IntlTeach says it truly is a kafkaesque system we live in. I believe in her testimony in court she said that she was not afraid of the court system, giving testimony or being tried. It was merely geography and health that had stopped her.

Let’s also go back to SUPPORT. It’s been mentioned before. Where is it from certain parties? You will no doubt say it is due to people thinking she is as a ‘pedo’. SUPPORT from this teacher was clearly from friends and family in her home country. No unions, opinions/ decisions of non teaching Boards of School, less than amazing SLT, transient staff and friends COULD have led her to her decisions. Conjecture, I already know, thanks but there are now some solid judgements available.

If you know her maybe reach out.

We know this is an extradition case but most people are relieved she does not have to languish in a Turkish prison for years until all methods of appeal have ended. An opinion from the UK legal system is a plus for putting pressure on Turkish authorities and also for her reputation.

Again, the findings in the extradition case will also be useful for the court in Strasbourg.

It is abundantly clear from Mcgarva’s findings that mental health was and is a huge issue so there is zero question now that she should have gone back to Türkiye.

@expatscot this particular case of extradition does not need prima facie evidence to extradite which is why the judges observations (not “opinions” as @PsyGuy writes) are so important in the case moving forward.

You are right the judgement is not “fluff”. PsyGuy needs to stick to his lane and troll about what he knows. He has been particularly hateful on this topic and clearly does not realise he is speaking about a real person, with widely reported mental health issues whose innocence is probably going to be proved in the future. I pity his colleagues and students for his lack of compassion.

The defence evidence IS important and until recently this had not made the media.

The ‘editorial fluff’ is taken from the judgement delivered by Judge Mcgava. ‘Inter alia’ suggests this point was one of many he made about the quality of evidence after reviewing ALL court documents.

The teacher was officially discharged from the extradition earlier in July.

https://www.doughtystreet.co.uk/news/gr ... -offending

“ The judge noted that while the merits of the underlying allegations were not a matter for the English courts, the Turkish prosecution’s case was “concerning” given that inter alia the complainant was interviewed in a manner which failed to accord with best practice, including the use of leading questions; allegations made by the complainant and her family that the requested person had abused an additional 15 pupils were not supported by any other pupil; and, the injuries relied on by the Turkish prosecution allegedly to demonstrate sexual abuse were, according to the defence expert evidence, readily explained by poor hygiene.”

Due process can now hopefully continue in Türkiye. Good luck to Rebecca.

An extradition case closed and no appeal and a criminal trial to proceed. Time will tell…

@PsyGuy

I find your answers and responses insufficient, naive and completely laughable.

@PsyGuy

No to absolutely all of your pathetic points. No date mix ups, unsatisfactory evidence all round. The police were even said to comment on the fact that there was no case.
The Turkish purge is conjecture. So so funny! All those journalists, lawyers and other professionals all locked away is just all made up.
Nope it would have been dropped or collapsed in all other countries with a strong rule of law and a strong child service procedure. Not nonsense, pure fact.
Please tell me where in Turkish law a case can be dropped sub juddice?
I agree, fleeing looks bad. But, being released from an investigation and returning home, does not. MLA exists. Severe mental health issues do. Also, I am not repeating myself again about the hundreds of issues facing the RP.

@PsyGuy

Nope, it was not a strong case to bring to trial. In fact I’ve heard many legal experts say how weak it is.

They ARE unfounded claims. They have not been examined over time, quite the opposite. They are still weak and insufficient.

The motivation behind CIMER set up by the AKP was perhaps set up to sack/witch hunt/purge Gulenists? It could be classed as very uneuropean?

The cctv entered to court was apparently extensive. The complaint made was on a specific day and logged. All children were playing in an area covered by cctv. It sounded like a child responding to a parents excessive questioning and made something up.

I’m for justice. Justice for all and nobody is getting it here. In my very humble opinion this case and trial in Türkiye is being influenced by the parents and scant regard is being paid to the actual child claimant and a defendant battling to save their reputation and liberty. It is a ridiculous charade.

Again, once a case has been pushed into a higher court in Türkiye it cannot be dismissed. I believe there was pressure to charge Richardson. This case should not have got this far. Extradition is the procedure necessary for it to come to a conclusion. I think if the teacher turned up they would quite literally be pooping themselves at court.

Places can have a rich culture at the beginning of a tenure with a continuing slide into autocracy and a diminishing rule of law by the end of it.

I don’t believe the UK or Türkiye have any interest in harbouring child abusers and they would have packed her off to the ‘Bul years ago if they thought she’d done it.

Fugitive or not. Fair trials have to exist.

And just as you have zero idea about whether the alleged (unfounded) events or true or not, I can make a stab that there could be some monetary motivation from the claimant parents or some sort of instability in their parenting.

Yawn

@PsyGuy

Reverse to February 2019. Richardson was released from all court restrictions due to there being no concrete evidence. Meaning the case was investigated thoroughly and at an end (and elsewhere that would be that).

However, after the attempted coup in 2016 the AKP set up a complaints process for citizens to complain about figures in public office. Its aim was less than transparent. After the claimant family started a formal procedure of complaint about the school and the prosecutor, Richardson was charged. I’d be scared at this point.

Move on to 2023. No new evidence has been submitted by the alleged claimants, yet in stark contrast to a few years ago, suspicion of a crime when charged has now moved to there being concrete evidence? I’d be petrified.

I am not confusing exoneration with extradition. I do however think if the UK were truly concerned Richardson had offended, a red notice would have been immediate and the UK would not have discharged her. Türkiye can also put pressure on the CPS to appeal a discharge. They did not. Odd?

The child’s medical reports show redness in the first report. The second report shows, fissures, scratches and bruises. The photograph timestamps back this timeline. The claimants also speak of an incident outdoors that cctv clearly shows was a fabrication.It maybe inconclusive, but it is also unfounded. Possibly a hysterical parent blaming everything upon a teacher rather than taking responsibility for it herself, methinks.

I was also referring to Richardson’s evidence, medical, Human rights and prison report which has not been touched upon in the press and is unknown in the mainstay. Also although an extradition judge cannot base his case on evidence he would be able to comment on issues he had observed. Without reading the judgement you cannot know his feelings around the quality of the evidence in the case.

Geographically, Türkiye is in Europe. It is a wonderful place to visit and for most ex pats, to live in. Check where it ranks in the World Justice project index (117). Take a look at some prison and torture reports... Find out about the Yalvac assurance… Look up what happened to BBCs Mark Lowen. See how much of their press is state owned? European, my backside.

Also as a side note. Take a scroll through some reviews from 2019 on this very site. The parents may have had a motivation behind THIS allegation. It’s only an opinion but it sets a scene.

Oh yes, we are all innocent until proven guilty. Let’s please start using ‘alleged’ whilst there is a trial ongoing. Ummm, it is child abuser. Survivors and rights groups look down on the use of ‘pedo’. You are supposed to be a teacher and all.