I COMPLETELY disagree. I get it. You are always right. Everyone else is always wrong. Who cares about the experience of others.
All the best.
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- Mon Oct 17, 2022 5:01 pm
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: IB Experience at Lower Pay Worthy Investment?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 10883
- Fri Oct 14, 2022 7:58 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: IB Experience at Lower Pay Worthy Investment?
- Replies: 10
- Views: 10883
Re: Response
PsyGuy wrote:
> I have significant doubts these ISs are tier 2 ISs. They are more likely
> upper or floater tier 3 ISs.
>
> Generally yes, IB experience is worth it. IB ISs comprise a substantially
> large portion of the second tier, so effectively the IB bridges the third
> tier to the first tier for many career track ITs. You can make that
> transition without IB but its often harder and takes longer.
> The issue is thus if this AS (CC ISs are generally considered ASs) is
> really tier 2 than you dont need IB as much to move up to tier 1 at a later
> point since that transition often means waiting for a tier 1 IS ina region
> you want to have a vacancy youre competitive for. IB experience can have
> utility in that case as there are first tier classic IBWSs. If you think
> youll be in the second tier a short time (1 contract maybe 2) for what ever
> value your metrics have than spending time in the IB probably isnt worth
> the reduction in salary. If you think youll be in the second tier a longer
> period of time than getting the IB experience is worth some time as it
> opens more opportunities for you. This all assumes though that these two
> ISs really are second tier, and again, they probably arent. In which case
> yes, IB experience is worth it.
>
> PYP is more valuable than MYP. PYP is so very different from the
> traditional curriculum construct of stranded subject content that a new PYP
> ITs first year is really a training year. After two years you will have a
> skill set that isnt available through another pathway. Compared to MYP
> which at 50 hrs/yr. in each subject group that what it really means is
> taking whatever lesson design you have based on another curriculum getting
> patched and adapted with IBness. The only benefit there is for MYP
> experience is the potential of it leading to a DIP assignment and DIP
> experience, assuming your IB IS is a classic IBWS and has a DIP program. If
> they dont, trying to peddle MYP experience into a DIP appointment at
> another IS doesnt have a lot of utility in recruiting.
PsyGuy,
While I respect that you seem to have a lot of experience, I have to disagree with you on your MYP argument. The MYP is by far the most complex and rich program on the IB continuum. I have taught PYP, MYP and I recently trained for the DIP program. Once you learn and teach MYP, you can master any IB program. During my DIP program training, there were teachers who have been teaching Language and Literature for years who were unable to explain conceptual understanding. How can a teacher build a syllabus in an IB program without mastering inquiry-based learning and conceptual understanding? The unit plans in the DIP program are pitiful compared to elaborate MYP unit plans.
MYP schools have a very tough time trying to adapt their local curriculum to the MYP subject guides. On the contrary, the DIP program is easily adaptable because isn't complex and can fit into any curriculum.
In Language and Literature, the DIP program is almost the exact same as the IGCSE. They - literary and non-literary texts. They write papers and have an oral at the end. It is very assessment oriented.
The CAS program is interesting but pales in comparison to MYP Service as Action and the Personal Project.
I say all of this as an experienced MYP teacher, an MYP coordinator and a recently trained program leader for site visits.
To the person asking, if you are interested in the IB, while you may have more opportunities in PYP or DP programs (more schools offer these programs), MYP is the most elaborate IB program. Once you are trained and teach in the MYP, the other programs are a breeze.
> I have significant doubts these ISs are tier 2 ISs. They are more likely
> upper or floater tier 3 ISs.
>
> Generally yes, IB experience is worth it. IB ISs comprise a substantially
> large portion of the second tier, so effectively the IB bridges the third
> tier to the first tier for many career track ITs. You can make that
> transition without IB but its often harder and takes longer.
> The issue is thus if this AS (CC ISs are generally considered ASs) is
> really tier 2 than you dont need IB as much to move up to tier 1 at a later
> point since that transition often means waiting for a tier 1 IS ina region
> you want to have a vacancy youre competitive for. IB experience can have
> utility in that case as there are first tier classic IBWSs. If you think
> youll be in the second tier a short time (1 contract maybe 2) for what ever
> value your metrics have than spending time in the IB probably isnt worth
> the reduction in salary. If you think youll be in the second tier a longer
> period of time than getting the IB experience is worth some time as it
> opens more opportunities for you. This all assumes though that these two
> ISs really are second tier, and again, they probably arent. In which case
> yes, IB experience is worth it.
>
> PYP is more valuable than MYP. PYP is so very different from the
> traditional curriculum construct of stranded subject content that a new PYP
> ITs first year is really a training year. After two years you will have a
> skill set that isnt available through another pathway. Compared to MYP
> which at 50 hrs/yr. in each subject group that what it really means is
> taking whatever lesson design you have based on another curriculum getting
> patched and adapted with IBness. The only benefit there is for MYP
> experience is the potential of it leading to a DIP assignment and DIP
> experience, assuming your IB IS is a classic IBWS and has a DIP program. If
> they dont, trying to peddle MYP experience into a DIP appointment at
> another IS doesnt have a lot of utility in recruiting.
PsyGuy,
While I respect that you seem to have a lot of experience, I have to disagree with you on your MYP argument. The MYP is by far the most complex and rich program on the IB continuum. I have taught PYP, MYP and I recently trained for the DIP program. Once you learn and teach MYP, you can master any IB program. During my DIP program training, there were teachers who have been teaching Language and Literature for years who were unable to explain conceptual understanding. How can a teacher build a syllabus in an IB program without mastering inquiry-based learning and conceptual understanding? The unit plans in the DIP program are pitiful compared to elaborate MYP unit plans.
MYP schools have a very tough time trying to adapt their local curriculum to the MYP subject guides. On the contrary, the DIP program is easily adaptable because isn't complex and can fit into any curriculum.
In Language and Literature, the DIP program is almost the exact same as the IGCSE. They - literary and non-literary texts. They write papers and have an oral at the end. It is very assessment oriented.
The CAS program is interesting but pales in comparison to MYP Service as Action and the Personal Project.
I say all of this as an experienced MYP teacher, an MYP coordinator and a recently trained program leader for site visits.
To the person asking, if you are interested in the IB, while you may have more opportunities in PYP or DP programs (more schools offer these programs), MYP is the most elaborate IB program. Once you are trained and teach in the MYP, the other programs are a breeze.
- Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:34 pm
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: Teaching in Switzerland / Benelux
- Replies: 4
- Views: 5690
Re: Teaching in Switzerland / Benelux
Hello,
Thank you for your answers.
Yes! In addition to my dazzling IB resume, I also have a provincial education credential in Québec. It's recognized in international schools around the world. I had 2 job offers in France last year. I just couldn't take them at that time.
Cheers!
Thank you for your answers.
Yes! In addition to my dazzling IB resume, I also have a provincial education credential in Québec. It's recognized in international schools around the world. I had 2 job offers in France last year. I just couldn't take them at that time.
Cheers!
- Sun Sep 25, 2022 10:34 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: Teaching in Switzerland / Benelux
- Replies: 4
- Views: 5690
Teaching in Switzerland / Benelux
Hello,
I need some input.
In August 2023, after 15 years abroad, I will be returning to Europe with my partner (French citizen) more specifically to the Geneva area! We would like to be closer to family. Money and savings isn't an issue for me. I have French, Canadian, and American citizenship.
I am an experienced IB trained MYP English Language and Literature, IB MYP English Language Acquisition, and Design teacher. I am also an IB MYP coordinator and technology integration coordinator at an international school in Montreal, Canada. I have 12 years of teaching experience. 8 have been in IB schools.
I just finished official IB Diploma Programme Language and Literature training. I am also currently in the application process of becoming an IB School Visit Team Member.
I also have a BEd (Teacher Qualification) MSEd in Curriculum and Assessment Development.
I have lived, studied, and taught in France before continuing my studies in Canada. I am a native speaker of English. I was born and raised in the US. I have a native speaker level in French. I can teach in French and English.
I am wondering what my chances will be at landing a job. I need some advice on how to make myself stand out from other candidates.
Is my plan to find a job in Switzerland or the Benelux region feasibile? Is it realistic? Am I competitive?
Take care!
I need some input.
In August 2023, after 15 years abroad, I will be returning to Europe with my partner (French citizen) more specifically to the Geneva area! We would like to be closer to family. Money and savings isn't an issue for me. I have French, Canadian, and American citizenship.
I am an experienced IB trained MYP English Language and Literature, IB MYP English Language Acquisition, and Design teacher. I am also an IB MYP coordinator and technology integration coordinator at an international school in Montreal, Canada. I have 12 years of teaching experience. 8 have been in IB schools.
I just finished official IB Diploma Programme Language and Literature training. I am also currently in the application process of becoming an IB School Visit Team Member.
I also have a BEd (Teacher Qualification) MSEd in Curriculum and Assessment Development.
I have lived, studied, and taught in France before continuing my studies in Canada. I am a native speaker of English. I was born and raised in the US. I have a native speaker level in French. I can teach in French and English.
I am wondering what my chances will be at landing a job. I need some advice on how to make myself stand out from other candidates.
Is my plan to find a job in Switzerland or the Benelux region feasibile? Is it realistic? Am I competitive?
Take care!