Tier 1 Master List

sitka
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Tier 1 Master List

Post by sitka »

A common refrain here is that there is no "Tier 1 Master List". For the sake of debate, I thought I would post my own interpretation of it.

East Asia
China - American International School of Guangzhou
China - International School of Beijing
China - Shanghai American School
China - Western Academy of Beijing
Hong Kong - Hong Kong International School
Japan - The American School in Japan
Japan - Yokohama International School
Taiwan - Taipei American School

Eastern Europe
Bulgaria - Anglo-American School of Sofia
Czech Republic - International School of Prague
Hungary - American International School of Budapest
Poland - American School of Warsaw
Romania - American International School of Bucharest
Russia - Anglo-American School of Moscow
Serbia - International School of Belgrade
Turkey - Istanbul International Community School

Latin America
Argentina - Associacion Escuelas Lincoln
Brazil - Graded School
Chile - International School Nido de Aguilas
Peru - Colegio Franklin Roosevelt

MENA
Egypt - Cairo American College
Israel - Walworth Barbour American International School
Jordan - American Community School, Amman
Oman - The American International School of Muscat
Qatar - American School of Doha
Saudi Arabia - American International School - Riyadh
UAE - American Community School of Abu Dhabi
UAE - American School of Dubai

South Asia
Bangladesh - American International School Dhaka
India - American Embassy School, New Delhi
India - American International School Chennai
India - American School of Bombay
Nepal - Lincoln School Kathmandu
Pakistan - International School of Islamabad
Sri Lanka - Overseas School of Colombo

South-East Asia
Indonesia - Jakarta Intercultural School
Malaysia - International School of Kuala Lumpur
Philippines - International School Manila
Singapore - Singapore American School
Singapore - UWCSEA
Thailand - International School Bangkok
Thailand - NIST International School
Thailand - Bangkok Patana School
Vietnam - UNIS Hanoi

Sub-Saharan Africa
Angola - Luanda International School
Ethiopia - International Community School of Addis Ababa
Ghana - Lincoln Community School, Accra
Kenya - International School of Kenya
Nigeria - American International School of Lagos
Senegal - International School of Dakar
South Africa - American International School of Johannesburg
Tanzania - International School of Tanganyika
Zambia - American International School of Lusaka
Zimbabwe - Harare International School

Western Europe
Austria - American International School, Vienna
Austria - Vienna International School
Belgium - International School of Brussels
Denmark - Copenhagen International School
France - American School of Paris
Germany - Frankfurt International School
Germany - International School of Hamburg
Germany - Munich International School
Italy - American Overseas School of Rome
Luxembourg - International School of Luxembourg
Netherlands - American School of the Hague
Netherlands - International School of Amsterdam
Spain - American School of Madrid
Switzerland - Inter-Community School of Zurich
Switzerland - International School of Basel
Switzerland - International School of Geneva
Switzerland - International School of Lausanne
Switzerland - Zurich International School
UK - TASIS

When it comes to methodology, I valued the following things:
*Non-profit vs. for-profit
*What percent of the student body is host nationals (with a lower percentage being better)
*Total number of nationalities among students
*Salary (relative to other schools in the region) and benefits package
*Curriculum (I'm particularly fond of the British curriculum)
*Size (the school needs to be large enough to offer a relatively balanced DP/senior program)
*Reputation (dozens of bar stool debates).

Thoughts? Opinions? Omissions?
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Moderation

Post by PsyGuy »

First, the entire post and list is prohibited on the public forum.

Second, elite tier is more accurate than first tier.

Third, Its incredibly Amerocentric, its little more than the DOS Assisted School list.

Fourth, I disagree on portions of it, but thats not an issue there has and always will be differences.
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Re: Tier 1 Master List

Post by joe30 »

There's no such thing as a first tier school if that school happens to be located in a highly dangerous place such as Zimbabwe or Nigeria.

Same sort of deal with the Indian schools...the location makes it not first tier irrespective of the other redeeming qualities of the school.
fine dude
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Re: Tier 1 Master List

Post by fine dude »

I would Tanglin Trust in Singapore to that list.
sitka
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Post by sitka »

PsyGuy wrote:
> First, the entire post and list is prohibited on the public forum.

I disagree - similar posts have been accepted in the recent past. And the whole point of creating the member forum was to protect the website from charges of slander, which is hardly the case here. But if moderators would like to remove it, I suppose that is their decision.

> Second, elite tier is more accurate than first tier.

Semantics.

> Third, Its incredibly Amerocentric, its little more than the DOS Assisted School list.

The DOS supports 197 schools - but I only included 64 of them on my list (and 7 are not supported by the DOS). But it isn't random chance that they don't to support Tier 1 schools.

I'm not American, for what that is worth.

> Fourth, I disagree on portions of it, but thats not an issue there has and
> always will be differences.

And I would welcome your input.
sitka
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Re: Tier 1 Master List

Post by sitka »

joe30 wrote:
> There's no such thing as a first tier school if that school happens to be
> located in a highly dangerous place such as Zimbabwe or Nigeria.
>
> Same sort of deal with the Indian schools...the location makes it not first
> tier irrespective of the other redeeming qualities of the school.

I didn't weight location when deciding on the quality of the school. Bad locations can have great schools, and great locations can have awful schools.
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Re: Tier 1 Master List

Post by clio »

I'd be interested to know your methodology in drawing up this list.
sitka
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Post by sitka »

fine dude wrote:
> I would Tanglin Trust in Singapore to that list.

Good call.
sitka
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Post by sitka »

clio wrote:
> I'd be interested to know your methodology in drawing up this list.

1) All of these schools are non-profits.

2) For the region, they tend to have the fewest percentage of host national students (although in Latin America, there are few schools with more international students than host nationals).

3) They tend to have the greatest number of nationalities present at the school.

4) They tend to be relatively established - the newest school on that list opened in the early 1990s.

5) They tend to be backed by an embassy.

6) The salaries tend to be the highest in the region, although some regions (especially Africa) vary quite considerably. There is a general pattern for the Tier 1 school in a region to pay approximately $10,000 more per year than what I would consider the Tier 2 school.

7) They tend to have lower turnover year-on-year.

8) A lot of talk on a lot of barstools with a lot of different teachers.

But really, in the end, it is somewhat subjective.
joe30
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Re: Tier 1 Master List

Post by joe30 »

sitka wrote:
> joe30 wrote:
> > There's no such thing as a first tier school if that school happens to be
> > located in a highly dangerous place such as Zimbabwe or Nigeria.
> >
> > Same sort of deal with the Indian schools...the location makes it not first
> > tier irrespective of the other redeeming qualities of the school.
>
> I didn't weight location when deciding on the quality of the school. Bad locations
> can have great schools, and great locations can have awful schools.

Let's put it this way, I doubt a school in Bangladesh or Nigeria is attracting teachers who have too many other options. The best teachers will have options.
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Re: Tier 1 Master List

Post by mamava »

I think that above the Tier 1 level are those schools that are considered the "elite." The ones that pay very well, have great packages, who demand a lot from their teachers and push them hard, but who also have great PD and professional opportunities.

The "tier rating" system is not comparable either in that the location of the school and the country's government systems can have an impact on how comparable the schools on that list really are. At my school, (which is on that list) we pay a level of tax that other schools in other countries (I worked at an Asian country on that list as well) don't and so our package is much different. Additionally, some of the schools on the list, if you check this site's paid forum, will see pretty scathing reviews consistently. That would call some into question. Finally, the best school in a country is not necessariy a Tier 1 school at the same level as some of the others.
sitka
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Re: Tier 1 Master List

Post by sitka »

mamava wrote:
> I think that above the Tier 1 level are those schools that are considered the "elite."
> The ones that pay very well, have great packages, who demand a lot from their teachers
> and push them hard, but who also have great PD and professional opportunities.
>
>
> The "tier rating" system is not comparable either in that the location of the school
> and the country's government systems can have an impact on how comparable the schools
> on that list really are. At my school, (which is on that list) we pay a level of
> tax that other schools in other countries (I worked at an Asian country on that
> list as well) don't and so our package is much different. Additionally, some of
> the schools on the list, if you check this site's paid forum, will see pretty scathing
> reviews consistently. That would call some into question. Finally, the best school
> in a country is not necessariy a Tier 1 school at the same level as some of the
> others.

I'd agree that you can't compare between regions, which is why I divided the list into regions in the first place. Although to be honest, I don't really place a lot of stock in the reviews on the paid site.
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Re: Tier 1 Master List

Post by marieh »

<<There's no such thing as a first tier school if that school happens to be located in a highly dangerous place such as Zimbabwe or Nigeria.>>

In another thread, many people (including yourself) said that the schools with the best packages and benefits were first tier. So now they're not? What tier would you call a school that is fantastic in every other aspect but happens to be in a questionable location?
joe30
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Re: Tier 1 Master List

Post by joe30 »

marieh wrote:
> <<There's no such thing as a first tier school if that school happens to be located
> in a highly dangerous place such as Zimbabwe or Nigeria.>>
>
> In another thread, many people (including yourself) said that the schools with the
> best packages and benefits were first tier. So now they're not? What tier would
> you call a school that is fantastic in every other aspect but happens to be in a
> questionable location?

I said the first tier schools pay the most RELATIVE TO THE REGION. That doesn't mean every single high paying school is a first tier school since some schools would have to pay extortionate amounts of money to compensate for the hardship of living in the location.

For example, lets take a school in Syria. It might be the best paying school in the region, but unless it's paying $150,000+ it really doesn't compensate for the fact you have to live in a highly dangerous location. So in practice, there's not a single school from there that is first tier.
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Re: Tier 1 Master List

Post by sid »

Is anyone else tired of the endless debates about tiers? (Ironic that I'm contributing, no?)
You say tomato, I say tomato, and we never get to a shared conclusion. And next week we start a new thread with a slightly different slant on the same topic.
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