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@Thames Pirate

Yes, because the original was right before and is right now.

Yes, you did, you have stated multiple times "you only need a contract and its that simple". Its not that simple you need a visa and in Germany (amongst the rest of the EUR) those with contracts do have visas denied.

No, Bavaria really isnt different. Your perception that Bavaria is different, is different. I wouldnt take your word for anything, more so that you dont seem to know how words work.

No, its because they are different. Though I would concede based on prior claims your experience with dead horses would be greater than mine. Ive been stating for quite sometime that the processes are different, but thats your tendency to plagiarize.

No, its not. Again though your simply daft to the realities. Germany isnt special every country has their own language terms for various ISs and DSs.

Happy to hear you agree, it makes for less typing.

ISs can suddenly change anything. Yes, they could exactly do that. No an IS may require an IT to have a native language competency an English language competency or a combination of the two, and ISs do make exceptions.

Happy to hear you agree.

No, it doesnt. This is the seminal non-sense of your TPF wonderland. Neither ISs nor DSs nor the German MOE set immigration policy in regards to obtaining a visa. No an IS canot hire anyone they want.

No, Organizations, do not get to set there own immigration policy. This is just more TPF non-sense.

Thats not true they could be a Candidate IB IS and offer DIP.

No, an IS can ot hire anyone they want. Your all you need is a a contract is TPF non-sense. Applicants with contracts are denied visas.

Happy to hear you agree with my original post that Germany is rather rigid on degrees and credentials dont have a lot of value.

Yes, do see my posts above, but this is hindered by your lack of reading fluency and comprehension.

The visa requirements are more than having a contract.

Its possible they could do this all the time, but you wouldnt know. Then again youre probably confusing a Magic 8 Ball with a Crystal Ball.
My own counsel will I keep on what I would write. It could be true, but they have been rather responsiveness on more than the initial explanation on the reason, rational, and explanation. Its a superfluous amount of effort for a fabrication.

Because the "you just need a contract" is TPF non-sense. There are a greater degree of requirements for hiring a foreign IT through an OS embassy/consulate than there are for a floor cleaner.

PsyGuy wrote:
> @Thames Pirate
>
> Yes, you did, you have stated multiple times "you only need a contract
> and its that simple". Its not that simple you need a visa and in
> Germany (amongst the rest of the EUR) those with contracts do have visas
> denied.

American: I want to work in Germany.
Germany: The school doesn't have to sponsor your visa. Any employer with any job (sufficient hours/pay/insurance) will do.
School: You don't have the right degree for us to sponsor you
PsyGuy: Everyone needs visas and sometimes people get denied!

Okay, sure, people get denied for things like lying on applications, criminal history, etc. It does happen. But we aren't talking about unusual cases here.

(Also, EU is European Union. EUR is Euro, the currency used in much of Europe. But sure, you know what you're talking about.)


>
> No, Bavaria really isnt different. Your perception that Bavaria is
> different, is different. I wouldnt take your word for anything, more so
> that you dont seem to know how words work.


We've established that each Bundesland is different, so yeah, it's different. However, most Bundesländer do have an Anerkennung. Bavaria does not (again, there are complicated workarounds, but as a straightforward procedure, they do not). Bavaria is notorious for this in so many areas. Everyone in Germany knows this.

>
> No, its because they are different. Though I would concede based on prior
> claims your experience with dead horses would be greater than mine. Ive
> been stating for quite sometime that the processes are different, but thats
> your tendency to plagiarize.


Me: The process is different--not just the IS walking it through.
PG: "No, its [sic] because they are different." Add intent to insult and accusation of plagiarism for stating what I have said from the beginning.
Gaslighting is wonderful.

>
> No, its not. Again though your simply daft to the realities. Germany isnt
> special every country has their own language terms for various ISs and DSs.
>

In Germany we use Ersatzschulen and Ergänzungsschulen. Both are "Schulen in freier Trägerschaft" (private schools). However, Ersatzschulen receive federal funding and have to follow ministry standards. They offer recognised German Abschlüsse (Abi, MSA). Therefore I called them semi-private because that's the closest English approximation that doesn't get into the complicated nuance. But NOBODY uses "Trust IS" here in Germany, and I have not really heard it used commonly elsewhere.


> Happy to hear you agree, it makes for less typing.

PsyGuy pretending not to understand how sarcasm works. The gaslighting is next level.


> ISs can suddenly change anything. Yes, they could exactly do that. No an IS
> may require an IT to have a native language competency an English language
> competency or a combination of the two, and ISs do make exceptions.

Yes, let's go down some hypothetical where a teacher convinces an entire school to suddenly start demanding its parents communicate in English, its materials be replaced to switch languages, its internal communications be changed to accommodate one teacher when everyone in Germany speaks English and the German speaker currently teaching maths could presumably teach it in English or a bilingual teacher could be found. I mean, sure, it could happen. We're already in the twilight zone, so why not?

>
> Happy to hear you agree.


PG: Applicants must meet the requirements
TP: Some schools can flex on their own requirements
PG: You agree with me.

Again, next level gaslighting.

>
> No, it doesnt. This is the seminal non-sense of your TPF wonderland.
> Neither ISs nor DSs nor the German MOE set immigration policy in regards to
> obtaining a visa. No an IS canot hire anyone they want.

The policy for immigration says that for Americans, if you have a job offer, the company has decided you are qualified for the position and therefore can be approved for a visa. Since Ergänzungsschulen function in this regard as private companies, they can hire a high school graduate to teach IB Physics if they want. They set the standard. Now, for other countries it's different, but for Americans and a few others this is the case.


> No, Organizations, do not get to set there own immigration policy. This is
> just more TPF non-sense.

Never said they set their own policy. The policy is pretty flexible for certain nationalities, though--including Americans.

>
> Thats not true they could be a Candidate IB IS and offer DIP.
>

Oy. A candidate school does not yet offer the DP (not DIP). But the OP has already stated that they offer the IBDP as well as MYP and PYP, and the only schools on the IBO site that offer all three in Bavaria are all Ergänzungsschulen.

> No, an IS can ot hire anyone they want. Your all you need is a a contract
> is TPF non-sense. Applicants with contracts are denied visas.

Not Americans--unless there is some other reason for denial related to background checks, for example. But in general, no, they aren't. The visas are often issued upon arrival, making German schools skew heavily in favour of EU or favoured nationalities.

>
> Happy to hear you agree with my original post that Germany is rather rigid
> on degrees and credentials dont have a lot of value.

That isn't what I said. You also need a credential. You need both for Anerkennung, so they do have value. You need neither (I mean, you probably do, but not officially) for an Ergänzungsschule. Something I have said all along.

>
> Yes, do see my posts above, but this is hindered by your lack of reading
> fluency and comprehension.

Next. Level.

>
> The visa requirements are more than having a contract.
>

Yes, they include having health insurance (included in contract) and sufficient income (included in contract).

> Its possible they could do this all the time, but you wouldnt know. Then
> again youre probably confusing a Magic 8 Ball with a Crystal Ball.
> My own counsel will I keep on what I would write. It could be true, but
> they have been rather responsiveness on more than the initial explanation
> on the reason, rational, and explanation. Its a superfluous amount of
> effort for a fabrication.


There is irony here. The school actually would walk you through the visa process (no separate procedure), but they don't get you a visa based on your degree. They get you one based on having a contract. Since we have established that this is almost certainly an Ergänzungsschule, we know they could give a contract (again, there are potential sticky widgets with things like percentages that might not affect you personally, but to which you fall victim), which is sufficient for the visa. So there is either a complex factor at play that isn't about any given individual or the school is lying.

>
> Because the "you just need a contract" is TPF non-sense. There
> are a greater degree of requirements for hiring a foreign IT through an OS
> embassy/consulate than there are for a floor cleaner.

Not necessarily. I have known of people who did not have a credential who were teaching at an Ergänzungsschule. Some were in the process of getting credentialed, others were not. They were employed as full teachers, some with permanent contracts, and had visas and even permanent residency. Again, for an Ergänzungsschule you are essentially a company hire; your degree is of little importance to the visa process.

This isn't complex. I have also provided evidence for my claims. It just bothers you that I might know more about some subjects than you do, and regardless of what the subject is, you will gaslight because you really have a thing against me. Sorry you are so insecure, but at least this is entertaining.

@Thames Pirate

Thames Pirate: You only need a contract.
Germany, the EUR, this particular IS, the LW, the LWs evidence, everyone else: No you dont you need to qualify for a visa which is more than "only a contract.

Applicants are denied for far more than your listed reasons, they are denied (ineligible in this case) for not having a degree in the teaching subject.

EU=European Union
EUR=Europe (as in the land mass encompassing the European continent)
€ or EUR€=Euro Currency
Yes, I do know what Im talking about.

No, each region is separate, but for this particular issue they arent different.

Gaslighting is wonderful for you.

Every country has there own language terms for various terms, Germany isnt special.
Trust IS is certainly a thing and a thing in Germany.

The claims @Thames Pirate about not using or hearing particular terminology says more about you than it does Germany.

Youd certainly know next level gaslighting.

There is no theoretical anything. An IS could make an exception for a non-host speaking IT for something such as English immersion.

No, youre in TPF wonderland, if thats a world of perpetual twilight, well I dont have to live there.

Yes, applicants must meet the requirements. An IS with flexibility in their requirements still requires an applicant to comply within the range of the requirements. This is @Thames Pirate not understanding how words work again.

The policy for Americans and foreigners is to meet the requirements of the Federal Foreign Office which for an IT requires more than "only a contract".
No, they could not hire a HS graduate.
No, the IS/DS does not dictae the standard for immigration and visa issuance. This is just more TPF non-sense.

No, Germany is pretty rigid in terms of its requirements.

No, a Candidate IB IS could offer DIP. So its possible there could be a Candidate IB IS offering DIP and not be on the list.

Yes, including Americans.

I wrote in my OP "Germany is rather rigid on degrees and credentials dont have a lot of value."
Not a lot of value is no value. See above.

Yes, your gaslighting is certainly at an advance level.

No, The visa requirements are more than "a contract" insurance, and minimum remuneration.

Im not in any way convinced you know what irony is, nor does this meet the criteria of irony (there isnt a numerous or amusing effect). What your looking for is sarcasm, isnt that ironic, dont you think.

Yes, the IS would very likely (I cant imagine them not) walking the application through the process.

No, they get you a visa by meeting the requirements which include among others having an appropriate degree, an acceptable credential (which may be entirely the degree), a contract, etc.

No, this hasnt been established, youre claims are not self authenticating. Your confusing established with assumption. This is @Thames Pirate not knowing how words work.

No, you need more than just a contract. The contract alone is not sufficient. This is TPF non-sense.

The IS could be lying. They are being very responsive and cooperative to maintain a fabrication.
Either the LW needs more than a contract, there are other complicating factors that are still more than a contract (such as not having an appropriate subject matter degree), or the IS is misrepresenting the reason (which I dont buy, why use a fabrication that could, if it was true, be wholly disproved).

Yes, necessarily. Ive known of ITs (many actually) at ISs in Germany and elsewhere that teach and taught without a credential. I know of only a few rare cases where an IT (including in Germany) was teaching without a degree, but in those cases the IT had extensive professional experience in the field.

Again, regardless of IS or DS if you dont have a right of residency you must meet the visa requirements established by the applicable ministry/office/department and in Germany this is the Federal Foreign office, which delegates these duties to its OS consulates and embassies, and again these requirements are more than having a contract and are not dictated by an individual organization.

Yes, I agree, its not complex. Germany is relatively rigid in what degrees it will accept and the requirements for a visa are more than just a contract. Its very simple, but again, you dont know what complex or simple mean.

Weve had an abundance of evidence, provided by the LW themselves that do not support @Thames Pirate, but again you dont know what evidence is, because the use of German terminology is not evidence.

I dont think enough about you to generate a feeling or "a thing".

Only data matters.

PsyGuy wrote:
> @Thames Pirate
>
> Thames Pirate: You only need a contract.
> Germany, the EUR, this particular IS, the LW, the LWs evidence, everyone
> else: No you dont you need to qualify for a visa which is more than
> "only a contract.
>
> Applicants are denied for far more than your listed reasons, they are
> denied (ineligible in this case) for not having a degree in the teaching
> subject.
>
> EU=European Union
> EUR=Europe (as in the land mass encompassing the European continent)
> € or EUR€=Euro Currency
> Yes, I do know what Im talking about.

Again, an Ergänzungsschule is essentially like any private business; they can hire anyone they want. For an American to get a visa, the company needs to say they qualify for the job. That is sufficient. For an Ersatzschule it would still be sufficient for any job that isn’t regulated (TAs, cleaners, various admin). They can even, if they do choose, give you a teaching contract and no lessons. The point is that the visa requirements are in no way tied to your teaching qualifications. I mean, how do you think private companies hire someone for business if they don’t have a teaching degree? Visas are issued if you are an American and have a job (again, barring extenuating circumstances). There are nuances (health insurance, for example, but a job is required to offer it), all basically covered if you have a job.

Visas are federal.

Now, for the actual teaching, the Ersatzschule has to comply with the Bundesland, so the teacher of record has to meet those standards. Not true in an Ergänzungsschule. Those documents, if required (again, in an Ersatzschule) are submitted to the Bundesland, not the federal offices.

So when you said „the EUR“ you meant „the Europe“? Okay . . . .

>
> No, each region is separate, but for this particular issue they arent
> different.
>

Again, check the portal if you don’t believe me. Oh, wait. You don’t speak German.

> Gaslighting is wonderful for you.
>
> Every country has there own language terms for various terms, Germany isnt
> special.
> Trust IS is certainly a thing and a thing in Germany.

PG: Of course each country has its terms in its own language.
Also PG: Here is this English language term that appears precisely nowhere in any German documents that is absolutely used in Germany.

>
> The claims @Thames Pirate about not using or hearing particular terminology
> says more about you than it does Germany.
>

Right, I am the one making up terms. (Before you say that you’re good I agree, I will point out that this is sarcasm). This from the guy who didn’t know the difference between singular and plural and still doesn’t know what the KMK is.

> Youd certainly know next level gaslighting.
>
> There is no theoretical anything. An IS could make an exception for a
> non-host speaking IT for something such as English immersion.
>
> No, youre in TPF wonderland, if thats a world of perpetual twilight, well I
> dont have to live there.
>


We can play the two year old „what if“ and „well, they could“ for extreme hypotheticals. There is probably always the extreme case that is the exception to the rule. But in general, that’s nonsense.

> Yes, applicants must meet the requirements. An IS with flexibility in their
> requirements still requires an applicant to comply within the range of the
> requirements. This is @Thames Pirate not understanding how words work
> again.
>

If I want to hire someone qualified in underwater basket weaving to teach Japanese, I can make that a requirement. I can also decide that no, Tom here seems cool and is only qualified to teach Spanish, but I want to hire him for Japanese. That’s all up to me in my business—and in the context of hiring, Ergänzungsschulen function as businesses. Nobody in any government office cares.

> The policy for Americans and foreigners is to meet the requirements of the
> Federal Foreign Office which for an IT requires more than "only a
> contract".

Again, two offices. One for the visa, one to approve teachers. The latter only applies to Ersatzschulen.

> No, they could not hire a HS graduate.
> No, the IS/DS does not dictae the standard for immigration and visa
> issuance. This is just more TPF non-sense


Still not claiming that, but I do know that nonsense is snowed without a hyphen.

>
> No, Germany is pretty rigid in terms of its requirements.
>
> No, a Candidate IB IS could offer DIP. So its possible there could be a
> Candidate IB IS offering DIP and not be on the list.
>

A candidate school can offer DP structured classes, but they don’t lead to a diploma.


> Yes, including Americans.
>

Have you ever looked at any of the requirements on official sites? Read through the requirements?

> I wrote in my OP "Germany is rather rigid on degrees and credentials
> dont have a lot of value."
> Not a lot of value is no value. See above.
>
> Yes, your gaslighting is certainly at an advance level.
>
> No, The visa requirements are more than "a contract" insurance,
> and minimum remuneration.

Not for Americans. I mean, documents galore and all, but nothing you don’t already have.


>
> Im not in any way convinced you know what irony is, nor does this meet the
> criteria of irony (there isnt a numerous or amusing effect). What your
> looking for is sarcasm, isnt that ironic, dont you think.
>
> Yes, the IS would very likely (I cant imagine them not) walking the
> application through the process.
>

ISs might walk through the visa process by getting the appointments and helping with translations and documents.

The Anerkennung is a totally different process. It‘s ironic that you got it right about the wrong one.

> No, they get you a visa by meeting the requirements which include among
> others having an appropriate degree, an acceptable credential (which may be
> entirely the degree), a contract, etc.
>

The Amt doesn’t require any of that.


> No, this hasnt been established, youre claims are not self authenticating.
> Your confusing established with assumption. This is @Thames Pirate not
> knowing how words work.
>

Repeating ad hominem attacks doesn’t make evidence and independent sourcing disappear.

> No, you need more than just a contract. The contract alone is not
> sufficient. This is TPF non-sense.
>
> The IS could be lying. They are being very responsive and cooperative to
> maintain a fabrication.
> Either the LW needs more than a contract, there are other complicating
> factors that are still more than a contract (such as not having an
> appropriate subject matter degree), or the IS is misrepresenting the reason
> (which I dont buy, why use a fabrication that could, if it was true, be
> wholly disproved).
>

Has the OP tried to get a visa in Germany in some other field? Have you? You don’t need a teaching credential to get a visa.


> Yes, necessarily. Ive known of ITs (many actually) at ISs in Germany and
> elsewhere that teach and taught without a credential. I know of only a few
> rare cases where an IT (including in Germany) was teaching without a
> degree, but in those cases the IT had extensive professional experience in
> the field.
>

Yep—at an Ergänzungsschule this is not a problem.

> Again, regardless of IS or DS if you dont have a right of residency you
> must meet the visa requirements established by the applicable
> ministry/office/department and in Germany this is the Federal Foreign
> office, which delegates these duties to its OS consulates and embassies,
> and again these requirements are more than having a contract and are not
> dictated by an individual organization.
>

You are incredibly thick if you don’t understand that a visa doesn’t require a teaching degree.



> Yes, I agree, its not complex. Germany is relatively rigid in what degrees
> it will accept and the requirements for a visa are more than just a
> contract. Its very simple, but again, you dont know what complex or simple
> mean.
>

Please list (with source) the requirements for an American to get a work permit in Germany.

> Weve had an abundance of evidence, provided by the LW themselves that do
> not support @Thames Pirate, but again you dont know what evidence is,
> because the use of German terminology is not evidence.
>

The OP only shared what the school told them. That isn’t evidence of how visas work.

> I dont think enough about you to generate a feeling or "a thing".
>
> Only data matters.

Data says you enjoy attacking me. As I find letting you show your nature and your ignorance amusing, it isn’t a problem.

Germany has a rather rigid position on subject adjacent degrees, and foreign credentials arent as valuable. Degrees must align specifically with the subject appointed to, whereas credentials can be more general and generic (the requirement being that they are age appropriate for the appointment, but even then are more flexible than what is required for degrees). Thus credentials are less valuable.

ITs without a right of residency must meet various requirements to obtain a visa. This is a separate process from the mutual recognition process of pro.edu credentials. The requirements are more involved than requiring only a mere contract. This process is designated to the Federal Foreign Office, but delegates these functions to the OS embassies and consulates.
Institutions do not set immigration policy, but are subordinate to the Foreign Ministry rules and regulations which are more substantial than the singular requirement of a contract.

German ISs (Private/Independent) are exempt from much MOE regulation and generally may determine what ITs are acceptable to appointment of faculty as long as these requirements meet the minimum immigration requirements for the appropriate visa. DSs (Public/Maintained)must comply with all rules and regulations for the appointment of faculty. Trust ISs are hybrid of the two whereas the IS receives portion of public funding but is required to comply with various portions of MOE regulation. In regards to professional development for faculty appointments there isnt significant differences between a Trust IS and a DS.

@Thames Pirate

Your statement regarding the IB DIP is wholly in error. IB ISs offering the DIP may not offer the DIP program in any variation. See Article 8.1.b |Rules for IB candidate schools|. The IS may not deliver "DP [sic] structured classes". Students are not eligible for the I.B., nor may they receive DPCR (as they are not eligible to sit for exams).

@Alchemeister

I find little persuasive evidence that the IS in this instance would go to such extent to maintain a ruse. While its possible they are misrepresenting themselves (as @Thames Pirate indicated, and which I concur with, in that this isnt likely new for them and they know what the requirements are), why in response and cooperation continue such a fabrication? They dont have to save face or preserve a relationship when theres nothing offensive or insulting in using a generic "were pursuing other candidates". Further, if they really were interested in you as an IT in general, keeping you in mind and your application on file is not well served by engaging in such a subterfuge.

The reality is that Germany is rather rigid on what subject matter, degrees must be inscribed. Subject adjacent degrees are rarely acceptable. Whereas credentials fulfill a general pro.edu requirement, specific subject matter credentials do not substitute for lack of a specific subject matter degree qualification.

PsyGuy wrote:
> Germany has a rather rigid position on subject adjacent degrees, and
> foreign credentials arent as valuable. Degrees must align specifically with
> the subject appointed to, whereas credentials can be more general and
> generic (the requirement being that they are age appropriate for the
> appointment, but even then are more flexible than what is required for
> degrees). Thus credentials are less valuable.
>

Sort of true for an Ersatzschule. Not at all applicable for an Ergänzungsschule.

> ITs without a right of residency must meet various requirements to obtain a
> visa. This is a separate process from the mutual recognition process of
> pro.edu credentials.

As I have said all along.

The requirements are more involved than requiring only
> a mere contract.

Not really if you are American.

This process is designated to the Federal Foreign Office,
> but delegates these functions to the OS embassies and consulates.


For Americans, the process Incan be done from abroad or upon arrival. No embassies or consulates required.


> Institutions do not set immigration policy, but are subordinate to the
> Foreign Ministry rules and regulations which are more substantial than the
> singular requirement of a contract.


Nobody said institutions set the policy. But no Anerkennung of specific degree is required.
>
> German ISs (Private/Independent) are exempt from much MOE regulation and
> generally may determine what ITs are acceptable to appointment of faculty


As I have said all along.

> as long as these requirements meet the minimum immigration requirements for
> the appropriate visa.

US passport is sufficient (barring background check or other weird circumstances), as I have said all along.

DSs (Public/Maintained)must comply with all rules and
> regulations for the appointment of faculty.

Obviously.


Trust ISs are hybrid of the two
> whereas the IS receives portion of public funding but is required to comply
> with various portions of MOE regulation.

Nope. No such thing as Trust ISs. But if you mean Ersatzschulen, they are not a hybrid, but their own category. As I have said all along.

In regards to professional
> development for faculty appointments there isnt significant differences
> between a Trust IS and a DS.

PD? No. Anerkennung is required.


iB DP schools offer the IB DP. Candidate schools don’t. If a school offers a course identical to the IB DP, there is no way to prevent that. My point was that even then they cannot claim to offer the IB DP. So no, candidate schools don’t offer the DP.

PsyGuy wrote:
> @Alchemeister
>
> I find little persuasive evidence that the IS in this instance would go to
> such extent to maintain a ruse. While its possible they are misrepresenting
> themselves (as @Thames Pirate indicated, and which I concur with, in that
> this isnt likely new for them and they know what the requirements are), why
> in response and cooperation continue such a fabrication? They dont have to
> save face or preserve a relationship when theres nothing offensive or
> insulting in using a generic "were pursuing other candidates".
> Further, if they really were interested in you as an IT in general, keeping
> you in mind and your application on file is not well served by engaging in
> such a subterfuge.
>
> The reality is that Germany is rather rigid on what subject matter, degrees
> must be inscribed. Subject adjacent degrees are rarely acceptable. Whereas
> credentials fulfill a general pro.edu requirement, specific subject matter
> credentials do not substitute for lack of a specific subject matter degree
> qualification.

This whole post flies in the face of everything you just said (and I said first) re: separate processes, school types, etc.

@Thames Pirate

I stated that 'a Candidate IB IS could offer DIP', I stated nothing about the DIP program, you stated "a candidate school can offer DP [sic] structured classes", whereas the IB IS offering DIP can not deliver, offer, provide, etc. the DIP program even on a trial basis. Its still an IB DIP IS as it still needs the construct (both physically and conceptually) to complete its IB authorization tasks and requirements.

Germany has a rather rigid position on subject adjacent degrees, and foreign credentials arent as valuable. Degrees must align specifically with the subject appointed to, whereas credentials can be more general and generic (the requirement being that they are age appropriate for the appointment, but even then are more flexible than what is required for degrees). Thus credentials are less valuable.

ITs without a right of residency must meet various requirements to obtain a visa. This is a separate process from the mutual recognition process of pro.edu credentials. The requirements are more involved than requiring only a mere contract. This process is designated to the Federal Foreign Office, but delegates these functions to the OS embassies and consulates.
Institutions do not set immigration policy, but are subordinate to the Foreign Ministry rules and regulations which are more substantial than the singular requirement of a contract.

German ISs (Private/Independent) are exempt from much MOE regulation and generally may determine what ITs are acceptable to appointment of faculty as long as these requirements meet the minimum immigration requirements for the appropriate visa. DSs (Public/Maintained)must comply with all rules and regulations for the appointment of faculty. Trust ISs are hybrid of the two whereas the IS receives portion of public funding but is required to comply with various portions of MOE regulation. In regards to professional development for faculty appointments there isnt significant differences between a Trust IS and a DS.

A candidate school cannot offer DP. Any school or individual teacher can read through the guide for any given subject and use as much or as little of it as they want, so any school can say they use the DP as a basis, but they cannot claim to offer DP.

Incidentally, [sic] is used to denote that the error was in the text, but DP is the actual abbreviation, so it is not a mistake. Cute that you copied even that (incorrectly) from me.

Have you ever worked at a candidate school? Again: They do not offer the DP. They might have the class before authorisation resemble what they will be offering in the coming years (as I indicated), but they do not and cannot claim to offer the DP.

You also keep repeating this sentence about rigid positions, but you don't seem to have any idea of what that means. Repetition doesn't make it true. The position has been clarified. If anyone has further questions, feel free to reach out.

Re: visa--again, you keep repeating the same sentence as if that somehow makes it true. It doesn't. You haven't provided any evidence, links, or details.

re: "Trust IS"--again, repeating the same made up term and rote sentences doesn't make it true.

The constant repetition, mimicry, and inability to understand make it clear you are unhinged.

@Thames Pirate

An IB DIP candidate IS can offer DIP. They can offer appointments to faculty and staff, they can offer admission to students, they can engage in admissions, marketing, advertising, they can design curriculum, lessons, policies and procedures. They can do a lot in terms of offering the DIP. What they cant do is offer or deliver the program.
They would not be permitted to provide instruction and refer to it with any terms or language relating to the IB or DIP, regardless of what an IT reads and composes for their instruction. The IT could structure courses that utilize inquiry based methods and a pedagogy based on global citizenship.

[sic] is short form for the Latin term "sic erat scriptum" and translates as "thus had it been written", "sic" by itself translates as "thus" in Latin. It is a writing convention often used to indicate a word that has been said spelled incorrectly in the custom language of the writer/editor, a word or term stated in context, to indicate the spelling is correct as found in the source material, and as said in copy. While its more common use is to indicate a a scribing error and not in transcription, it is also used less commonly to indicate the use of a colloquialism or anachronism the writer used in composing the text.

I only post from experience or reliable and trusted sources.

Germany has a rather rigid position on subject adjacent degrees, and foreign credentials arent as valuable. Degrees must align specifically with the subject appointed to, whereas credentials can be more general and generic (the requirement being that they are age appropriate for the appointment, but even then are more flexible than what is required for degrees). Thus credentials are less valuable.

ITs without a right of residency must meet various requirements to obtain a visa. This is a separate process from the mutual recognition process of pro.edu credentials. The requirements are more involved than requiring only a mere contract. This process is designated to the Federal Foreign Office, but delegates these functions to the OS embassies and consulates.
Institutions do not set immigration policy, but are subordinate to the Foreign Ministry rules and regulations which are more substantial than the singular requirement of a contract.

German ISs (Private/Independent) are exempt from much MOE regulation and generally may determine what ITs are acceptable to appointment of faculty as long as these requirements meet the minimum immigration requirements for the appropriate visa. DSs (Public/Maintained)must comply with all rules and regulations for the appointment of faculty. Trust ISs are hybrid of the two whereas the IS receives portion of public funding but is required to comply with various portions of MOE regulation. In regards to professional development for faculty appointments there isnt significant differences between a Trust IS and a DS.

Now a candidate school can and cannot offer the DP? You’re cracked.

A candidate school can write supporting documents and curriculum—they have to, actually—but they cannot claim to offer the DP. They can teach the same content, offer the external assessments internally, and use the same methods and principles. So can any school—what I saidfrom the start. They cannot offer the DP or claim to. Therefore the school in question is not a candidate school and is and Ergänzungsschule.

Given that I used it first (and correctly), I think it’s safe to say I didn’t need your summary of the Wikipedia entry for [sic]. But verbose restatements, sometimes with inaccuracies, are your bread and butter on this forum. Then you like to copy and paste your statements indefinitely in the hopes that it will somehow make them true. It won’t. Or maybe you are trying to avoid actual clarification of the points you are making because this exposes your ignorance. It highlights it, but hey, we can’t expect better from someone whose real knowledge on a subject is lacking.

@Thames Pirate

Your statement regarding the IB DIP is wholly in error. IB ISs offering the DIP may not offer the DIP program in any variation. See Article 8.1.b |Rules for IB candidate schools|. The IS may not deliver "DP [sic] structured classes". Students are not eligible for the I.B., nor may they receive DPCR (as they are not eligible to sit for exams).
I stated that 'a Candidate IB IS could offer DIP', I stated nothing about the DIP program, you stated "a candidate school can offer DP [sic] structured classes", whereas the IB IS offering DIP can not deliver, offer, provide, etc. the DIP program even on a trial basis. Its still an IB DIP IS as it still needs the construct (both physically and conceptually) to complete its IB authorization tasks and requirements.
An IB DIP candidate IS can offer DIP. They can offer appointments to faculty and staff, they can offer admission to students, they can engage in admissions, marketing, advertising, they can design curriculum, lessons, policies and procedures. They can do a lot in terms of offering the DIP. What they cant do is offer or deliver the program.
They would not be permitted to provide instruction and refer to it with any terms or language relating to the IB or DIP, regardless of what an IT reads and composes for their instruction. The IT could structure courses that utilize inquiry based methods and a pedagogy based on global citizenship.

Both ISs (Independent/Private) and DSs (Maintained/Public) can be IB ISs. Candidate IB ISs/DSs are not included when using the public IB search tool. In this case the IS could be a Candidate IS/DS.

I used the term [sic] second and used it correctly.

More TPF non-sense.

Nobody said anything about offering a variation of the DP.

You said a candidate school could offer DIP--and you are playing games here. Your forum history has you using DIP for the IB DP. Here you are trying to say that schools could offer a diploma while being a candidate school--something I already said. I pointed out that these could be similar to the IBDP, but I also said that they would still have to offer a German Abschluss if they are an Ersatzschule (Abi, MSA). I also said (repeatedly) that a candidate school could not offer the IB DP. So you are arguing just to argue.

We have further established that on the IBO website, there are no schools that offer the IB PYP and IB MYP (regardless of whether they offer the DP) that are in Bavaria and are also Ersatzschulen. The OP then clarified that they do offer the IB DP. This after I pointed out that the only schools in Germany that offered both PYP and MYP but not DP were not located in Bavaria. So no, not a candidate school, and since it offers all three and is in Bavaria, it is an Ergänzungsschule.

And now we can add your statements about the IB DP to the list of copy-and-paste statements, along with your repeated misspelling of nonsense. And your use of [sic] would mean that I was in error in my use of the abbreviation DP. Whether used as an abbreviation for the DP or for a generic program offering a diploma, the abbreviation is fine. You just enjoy arguing to argue. I confess that I enjoy watching you stumble along until you are only left with copy-and-paste responses. You never seem to rise to the occasion when asked to answer questions, provide sources for the data you insist you use, etc.