Tokyo v Hong Kong?
Sorry,
I dont disclose names of schools on my resume, I like my anonymity.
Ichiro has no logic, he just thinks hes right because hes Ichiro (and his awesomeness).
I understand the previous posters question, and the simple answer to your question, is that TIS and Nishimachi are 2nd tier school because to me they arent 1st tier schools. That might be overly simplistic of a response, but in Tokyo there are just better schools. If it helps I'd put them on the upper end of the tier 2 scale.
Again though, the differences between a tier 1 and a tier 2 school in Tokyo relative to the global differences between tier 1 and tier 2 schools is such a small difference as to have no real meaningful distinction. Youd have to be focused exclusively on something like salary alone to make a persuasive argument.
Ichiro has no logic, he just thinks hes right because hes Ichiro (and his awesomeness).
I understand the previous posters question, and the simple answer to your question, is that TIS and Nishimachi are 2nd tier school because to me they arent 1st tier schools. That might be overly simplistic of a response, but in Tokyo there are just better schools. If it helps I'd put them on the upper end of the tier 2 scale.
Again though, the differences between a tier 1 and a tier 2 school in Tokyo relative to the global differences between tier 1 and tier 2 schools is such a small difference as to have no real meaningful distinction. Youd have to be focused exclusively on something like salary alone to make a persuasive argument.
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wrldtrvlr123
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Re: Sorry,
[quote="PsyGuy"]I dont disclose names of schools on my resume, I like my anonymity.
Ichiro has no logic, he just thinks hes right because hes Ichiro (and his awesomeness).
I understand the previous posters question, and the simple answer to your question, is that TIS and Nishimachi are 2nd tier school because to me they arent 1st tier schools. That might be overly simplistic of a response, but in Tokyo there are just better schools. If it helps I'd put them on the upper end of the tier 2 scale.
Again though, the differences between a tier 1 and a tier 2 school in Tokyo relative to the global differences between tier 1 and tier 2 schools is such a small difference as to have no real meaningful distinction. Youd have to be focused exclusively on something like salary alone to make a persuasive argument.[/quote]
I'm not sure I really agree that it is all about salary. I've spent quite a bit of time on ASIJ's campus and have visited TIS (at the time) and Nishimachi and there was a stark difference in campus facilities from the Top Tier 1 to the other schools. Even Yokohama, which is closer to ASIJ in package and has a very nice campus, suffers by comparison.
Let's face it, ASIJ, based on a number of factors, is in a very elite group of schools in the world. There's a good idea for a thread: Top 5 schools in the world.
I'll start, based on package and/or reputation and my own personal whims of the moment, in no particular order:
ASIJ
ISB (Bangkok)
HKIS
ISB (Brussels)
ISB (Beijing)
Ichiro has no logic, he just thinks hes right because hes Ichiro (and his awesomeness).
I understand the previous posters question, and the simple answer to your question, is that TIS and Nishimachi are 2nd tier school because to me they arent 1st tier schools. That might be overly simplistic of a response, but in Tokyo there are just better schools. If it helps I'd put them on the upper end of the tier 2 scale.
Again though, the differences between a tier 1 and a tier 2 school in Tokyo relative to the global differences between tier 1 and tier 2 schools is such a small difference as to have no real meaningful distinction. Youd have to be focused exclusively on something like salary alone to make a persuasive argument.[/quote]
I'm not sure I really agree that it is all about salary. I've spent quite a bit of time on ASIJ's campus and have visited TIS (at the time) and Nishimachi and there was a stark difference in campus facilities from the Top Tier 1 to the other schools. Even Yokohama, which is closer to ASIJ in package and has a very nice campus, suffers by comparison.
Let's face it, ASIJ, based on a number of factors, is in a very elite group of schools in the world. There's a good idea for a thread: Top 5 schools in the world.
I'll start, based on package and/or reputation and my own personal whims of the moment, in no particular order:
ASIJ
ISB (Bangkok)
HKIS
ISB (Brussels)
ISB (Beijing)
Its not all about salary my comment was "Youd have to be focused exclusively on something like salary alone to make a persuasive argument", this was a hypothetical premise for an argument. The intent being youd have to have very narrow, (singular) criteria, such as something like salary to persuade me that there was a substantial difference.
I want to speak about the world traveler list of schools and ASIJ.
First ASIJ... yes for Tokyo it has a lovely campus but there are a lot better in the world. Second it is having big financial problems. The package was lowered by 10% for new hires this past year. Second they have told 10 staff members that there is no contract for them next year. Be wary of ASIJ although I don't think they'll be hiring this year at all.
The list...
If it is just package then ASIJ makes it... if not... they don't...
Here is my top 7 list in no particular order.
ISBeijing
ISBangkok
Shanghai American
Singapore UWC
ISBrussels
New Delhi
ASLondon
Runners up: Frankfurt and Prague.
I have worked at a couple of these schools and have friends working at the rest. Some you can make good money while others have a solid curriculum rep.
As far as Hong Kong vs Tokyo. It all depends on what you want. I lived in HK. It's a great city. It is warmer. It is closer and cheaper for travel in Asia. It is crowded and polluted. Tokyo is crowded. It's people are more genteel. There is more to see in Japan. As far as savings... I think you would come out just about equal if you were offered a similar package.
Woot Woot!
Glerk
PS - heard a rumour that TIS might be on the brink of going under. This is unsubstantiated though. All of Japan is having tough times. The gov't isn't giving companies tax breaks and they are pulling out and the Tsunami. Double whammy.
First ASIJ... yes for Tokyo it has a lovely campus but there are a lot better in the world. Second it is having big financial problems. The package was lowered by 10% for new hires this past year. Second they have told 10 staff members that there is no contract for them next year. Be wary of ASIJ although I don't think they'll be hiring this year at all.
The list...
If it is just package then ASIJ makes it... if not... they don't...
Here is my top 7 list in no particular order.
ISBeijing
ISBangkok
Shanghai American
Singapore UWC
ISBrussels
New Delhi
ASLondon
Runners up: Frankfurt and Prague.
I have worked at a couple of these schools and have friends working at the rest. Some you can make good money while others have a solid curriculum rep.
As far as Hong Kong vs Tokyo. It all depends on what you want. I lived in HK. It's a great city. It is warmer. It is closer and cheaper for travel in Asia. It is crowded and polluted. Tokyo is crowded. It's people are more genteel. There is more to see in Japan. As far as savings... I think you would come out just about equal if you were offered a similar package.
Woot Woot!
Glerk
PS - heard a rumour that TIS might be on the brink of going under. This is unsubstantiated though. All of Japan is having tough times. The gov't isn't giving companies tax breaks and they are pulling out and the Tsunami. Double whammy.
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wrldtrvlr123
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[quote="PsyGuy"]Its not all about salary my comment was "Youd have to be focused exclusively on something like salary alone to make a persuasive argument", this was a hypothetical premise for an argument. The intent being youd have to have very narrow, (singular) criteria, such as something like salary to persuade me that there was a substantial difference.[/quote]
OK. How about salary AND facilities? Are you seriously saying there is not a significant disparity between the facilities at ASIJ and those other schools? If so, then you are not speaking from personal knowledge or experience.
OK. How about salary AND facilities? Are you seriously saying there is not a significant disparity between the facilities at ASIJ and those other schools? If so, then you are not speaking from personal knowledge or experience.
Sorry
Their are a lot of single criteria like facilities that you could compare. My point was youd have to focus on one aspect of the school to make a persuasive argument to me. Once you start throwing multiple factors into a comparison the schools start to become very similar.
Postal Script: ASIJ has the most AMAZING facilities, and their campus is just beautiful.
Postal Script: ASIJ has the most AMAZING facilities, and their campus is just beautiful.
Top Schools
My top 10 schools list is pretty different:
1) AS Paris
2) IS Berne
3) IS Brussels
4) AS Milan
5) Stockholm IS
6) AS London
7) ASIJ (Japan)
8-10) In no particular order: WAB, Singapore AS, Frankfurt
1) AS Paris
2) IS Berne
3) IS Brussels
4) AS Milan
5) Stockholm IS
6) AS London
7) ASIJ (Japan)
8-10) In no particular order: WAB, Singapore AS, Frankfurt
Last edited by PsyGuy on Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Been to ASIJ and have to say... that the campus is nice. Might be the nicest campus in Japan but is it nicer than AISBudapest? ASDubai? ASWarsaw? ISBeijing? WAB? ASDoha? I don't think so.
My thoughts on your list.
AS Paris has about the worst (top tier) facility in Europe. They hired Ulfers to try and improve it but the people they rent from would love to take the land back over. He has an uphill battle.
IS Berne is a nice little school.
IS Brussels was on my list as well so I must like it. Brussels is a great city to live in.
AS Milan is an ok school but it is a horrible part of Milan and as far as Italian cities go Milan ain't the best (IMO). Singles especially have a tough time making it on the salary there and have to tutor to make ends meet. Couple I know who have worked there have also left because of financial concerns.
Stockholm is a great city but pays a pittance. A member of ABBA used to be on the school board. Reason enough to go.
AS London - Great school. Good pay for London. They extract their pound of flesh for it though. They work you there. Even with the good pay I know people who went into debt living and working there.
ASIJ - Will you have a job next year at ASIJ? Hard to know. They are hurting. I was looking at going there at one point but I hear morale is in the toilet and there is no guarantee of there not being more layoffs next year.
Whammo!
My thoughts on your list.
AS Paris has about the worst (top tier) facility in Europe. They hired Ulfers to try and improve it but the people they rent from would love to take the land back over. He has an uphill battle.
IS Berne is a nice little school.
IS Brussels was on my list as well so I must like it. Brussels is a great city to live in.
AS Milan is an ok school but it is a horrible part of Milan and as far as Italian cities go Milan ain't the best (IMO). Singles especially have a tough time making it on the salary there and have to tutor to make ends meet. Couple I know who have worked there have also left because of financial concerns.
Stockholm is a great city but pays a pittance. A member of ABBA used to be on the school board. Reason enough to go.
AS London - Great school. Good pay for London. They extract their pound of flesh for it though. They work you there. Even with the good pay I know people who went into debt living and working there.
ASIJ - Will you have a job next year at ASIJ? Hard to know. They are hurting. I was looking at going there at one point but I hear morale is in the toilet and there is no guarantee of there not being more layoffs next year.
Whammo!
Discussion
Well i can appreciate your comments there not all untrue, but its my list and my preferences. A lot of my list is focused more on lifestyle and culture I want to live in, and less about a schools stats. So much about what i enjoy in life has little to do with the school itself.
New Delhi is a fine school but I wouldnt want to live there.
IS Bangkok, Beijing and Shanghai AS. Same thing its a dirty, congested city were you have to work too hard and too long, for what? As a single guy its just work, drinking, partying, and it doesnt have the perks of Japan.
Singapore AS was going to make my list and is in my top ten, for a lot of the same reasons as Singapore UWC. I like Singapore nice place to shop, and sit on a beach. The city is easy. Just like Shanghai, Honk Kong, Japan, its expensive and you work a lot.
Yeah AS Paris isnt the best school in europe, but its the best in France/Paris. They dont have the best faculty, but the workload isnt hard at all, and you dont have to do much to be respected (id rather swim with the fish then hunt with the sharks).
AS Milan is better then OFS Rome, and Milan has a more modern social life/night life then Rome. Dont get me wrong Rome is beautiful, but the whole old world life gets well old pretty fast. You can only see the Coliseum and hear the Vatican bells so many times before it just wears on you. Milan is just a more efficient city then Rome.
ASIJ might be having troubles but so is everyone else in Japan/Tokyo, i dont know of any school in Japan/Tokyo that isnt hurting in one way or another. So maybe there falling down the scale but the whole scale is shifting downward. If you want to be in Japan, its still "THE" place to be.
AS London is my straight favorite for a UK School and compensation package. Its an easy city to live in, and considering the cost of living in London they pay pretty well. Youd starve at any other school.
Lastly, I dont think theres going to be any schools on anyones lists that are going to be outright bad. Frankfurt would have been in my top ten as well, along with Singapore AS, and WAB (Beijing) but I couldnt rank them, and didnt want to ponder it anymore
LETS make this more interesting: If you had to pick one school to work at until you retire, what would it be?
New Delhi is a fine school but I wouldnt want to live there.
IS Bangkok, Beijing and Shanghai AS. Same thing its a dirty, congested city were you have to work too hard and too long, for what? As a single guy its just work, drinking, partying, and it doesnt have the perks of Japan.
Singapore AS was going to make my list and is in my top ten, for a lot of the same reasons as Singapore UWC. I like Singapore nice place to shop, and sit on a beach. The city is easy. Just like Shanghai, Honk Kong, Japan, its expensive and you work a lot.
Yeah AS Paris isnt the best school in europe, but its the best in France/Paris. They dont have the best faculty, but the workload isnt hard at all, and you dont have to do much to be respected (id rather swim with the fish then hunt with the sharks).
AS Milan is better then OFS Rome, and Milan has a more modern social life/night life then Rome. Dont get me wrong Rome is beautiful, but the whole old world life gets well old pretty fast. You can only see the Coliseum and hear the Vatican bells so many times before it just wears on you. Milan is just a more efficient city then Rome.
ASIJ might be having troubles but so is everyone else in Japan/Tokyo, i dont know of any school in Japan/Tokyo that isnt hurting in one way or another. So maybe there falling down the scale but the whole scale is shifting downward. If you want to be in Japan, its still "THE" place to be.
AS London is my straight favorite for a UK School and compensation package. Its an easy city to live in, and considering the cost of living in London they pay pretty well. Youd starve at any other school.
Lastly, I dont think theres going to be any schools on anyones lists that are going to be outright bad. Frankfurt would have been in my top ten as well, along with Singapore AS, and WAB (Beijing) but I couldnt rank them, and didnt want to ponder it anymore
LETS make this more interesting: If you had to pick one school to work at until you retire, what would it be?
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Until I retire?
So many countries to see yet....not sure it's a fair question of the international educator, Psy Guy.
I have yet to find the perfect school combined with the perfect city. I'll describe it and maybe others can tell me where I should go:
-Located in a Mediterranean climate most of the year with just a touch of winter to keep things interesting.
-The community has a wealth of cultural opportunties and chances to find social circles beyond the school.
-The administration at the school is qualified, effective and supportive of its staff. This includes holding high expectations for delivering a top notch education.
-PD funds are readily available and one is encouraged to use them.
-Colleagues are at the same professional level - they do what it takes to get the job done and aren't looking to "coast". They work hard and play hard.
-The students are pleasant and hard working.
-Parents support the school and respect the teachers.
-There is a sense of fun throughout the school.
This might be dreams of Nirvana but if anyone thinks they've found the spot - let me know!
I have yet to find the perfect school combined with the perfect city. I'll describe it and maybe others can tell me where I should go:
-Located in a Mediterranean climate most of the year with just a touch of winter to keep things interesting.
-The community has a wealth of cultural opportunties and chances to find social circles beyond the school.
-The administration at the school is qualified, effective and supportive of its staff. This includes holding high expectations for delivering a top notch education.
-PD funds are readily available and one is encouraged to use them.
-Colleagues are at the same professional level - they do what it takes to get the job done and aren't looking to "coast". They work hard and play hard.
-The students are pleasant and hard working.
-Parents support the school and respect the teachers.
-There is a sense of fun throughout the school.
This might be dreams of Nirvana but if anyone thinks they've found the spot - let me know!
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Traveller1
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Ichiro - why do you and your merry troupe give Psyguy such a hard time?
Much of what he says is helpful and he doesn't come across as arrogant, as you do sometimes. Like "I'm in a top tier school and I've been there, done it all and you don't know what you're talking about."
Maybe some of his posts are a bit long winded and maybe not all his facts are 100% percent correct but at least he's willing to comment and offer advice. I'd rather read what he has to say instead of your pissy little attacks.
Much of what he says is helpful and he doesn't come across as arrogant, as you do sometimes. Like "I'm in a top tier school and I've been there, done it all and you don't know what you're talking about."
Maybe some of his posts are a bit long winded and maybe not all his facts are 100% percent correct but at least he's willing to comment and offer advice. I'd rather read what he has to say instead of your pissy little attacks.
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Traveller1
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Ichiro, often when I read your comments you remind me of a friend who could also be pissy.
Seriously, why do you and your merry troupe get so worked up about Psy Guy?
It's starting to sound like the only people who are allowed to comment on Japanese schools are people who've worked in 'Tier 1' schools there (whatever that means).
Recently I read a post about getting into a 'Tier 1' international school in Japan. It seems it's really difficult, almost impossible, unless the applicant has a Japanese wife and/or a connection to get them in through the back door. Well that seemed to be gist of the post anyway. So I must conclude that you are either somewhat gifted, exhibiting teaching skills on a different, higher level, of brilliance to the average international school teacher, or you have a Japanese wife, or you have a friend who got you in through the back door?
Care to share? :)
Seriously, why do you and your merry troupe get so worked up about Psy Guy?
It's starting to sound like the only people who are allowed to comment on Japanese schools are people who've worked in 'Tier 1' schools there (whatever that means).
Recently I read a post about getting into a 'Tier 1' international school in Japan. It seems it's really difficult, almost impossible, unless the applicant has a Japanese wife and/or a connection to get them in through the back door. Well that seemed to be gist of the post anyway. So I must conclude that you are either somewhat gifted, exhibiting teaching skills on a different, higher level, of brilliance to the average international school teacher, or you have a Japanese wife, or you have a friend who got you in through the back door?
Care to share? :)