Re: @Psyguy about Ivy status
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:49 pm
You are overthinking this and a bit narrow in your scope.
Simply put, there are Ivy schools and Ivy equivalent schools whose name recognition is really high and whose reputation is really good. Anyone would recognise names like Harvard and Yale and Oxford.
Anyone with a bit of experience in academia should know schools like McGill or Northwestern or Cornell as well as Stanford. Those who actually attended these unis (at least in the US) will know the quality of Dartmouth or Duke or Columbia. If you aren't considering Chicago or Brown as at least on par with UCLA, you are clearly not in the know; those who actually attended a place like Georgetown will have heard of and probably applied to equivalent institutions such as Vanderbilt. The question is how well the recruiter is in the know. A Canadian recruiter would be far more likely to know McGill than a Brit would. And while Columbia doesn't have the name recognition of Yale, it does have enough clout to stand out to most recruiters, even those not from the USA, while Vanderbilt might not. So you can see that even within the "top schools," regardless of whether or not one calls them Ivy, there is still a sort of tier system. This is further complicated by the fact that within individual fields a school may be higher or lower or even lack a program, and recruiters are less likely to know exactly how your top school ranked in the area for which you attended. If the recruiter has mostly worked in secondary schools, they are more likely to know unis than someone who worked in primary school just by the nature of hearing people talk, writing letters of rec, etc.
Again, ultimately you are being too narrow in your thoughts. Name recognition counts a bit, especially early on when you don't have a resume built up. Otherwise it's just a tie breaker or a point of interest on a resume. Lots of people with less on their resume than you have go abroad, and many with more don't get beyond a low end school simply because they are too stuck in what they think things "should be." Think outside the box. PsyGuy is great if you want to know how to get licensed in Underwater Basket Weaving in Arkansas, but he is not the ultimate authority on international teaching, but I am not sure why you want his input specifically when so much of recruiting doesn't follow his patterns of what he thinks it should be.
Just go to the program that makes the most sense for you and focus on becoming a good teacher. Don't get so hung up on names.
Simply put, there are Ivy schools and Ivy equivalent schools whose name recognition is really high and whose reputation is really good. Anyone would recognise names like Harvard and Yale and Oxford.
Anyone with a bit of experience in academia should know schools like McGill or Northwestern or Cornell as well as Stanford. Those who actually attended these unis (at least in the US) will know the quality of Dartmouth or Duke or Columbia. If you aren't considering Chicago or Brown as at least on par with UCLA, you are clearly not in the know; those who actually attended a place like Georgetown will have heard of and probably applied to equivalent institutions such as Vanderbilt. The question is how well the recruiter is in the know. A Canadian recruiter would be far more likely to know McGill than a Brit would. And while Columbia doesn't have the name recognition of Yale, it does have enough clout to stand out to most recruiters, even those not from the USA, while Vanderbilt might not. So you can see that even within the "top schools," regardless of whether or not one calls them Ivy, there is still a sort of tier system. This is further complicated by the fact that within individual fields a school may be higher or lower or even lack a program, and recruiters are less likely to know exactly how your top school ranked in the area for which you attended. If the recruiter has mostly worked in secondary schools, they are more likely to know unis than someone who worked in primary school just by the nature of hearing people talk, writing letters of rec, etc.
Again, ultimately you are being too narrow in your thoughts. Name recognition counts a bit, especially early on when you don't have a resume built up. Otherwise it's just a tie breaker or a point of interest on a resume. Lots of people with less on their resume than you have go abroad, and many with more don't get beyond a low end school simply because they are too stuck in what they think things "should be." Think outside the box. PsyGuy is great if you want to know how to get licensed in Underwater Basket Weaving in Arkansas, but he is not the ultimate authority on international teaching, but I am not sure why you want his input specifically when so much of recruiting doesn't follow his patterns of what he thinks it should be.
Just go to the program that makes the most sense for you and focus on becoming a good teacher. Don't get so hung up on names.