Hello all,
I'm from the States, and I've been teaching for the past 8 years in Spain and Thailand. I have a BA in anthropology from the US and PGCEi from Nottingham University. Now I'm at this place where I know that I have to upgrade again, but could definitely use some expert advice. I'm thinking between three things: Masters in Education (or M.ed. in advanced studies), teacher license through teach now program, or simply getting my MYP/DP IB certification. I'm not planning on leaving Thailand right now, but I am trying to think long term. I do want to advance in my career and I'm just trying to figure out what's the best next step. I thought about Masters for a while and the teacher license program, but for some reason I just dont really vibe with the whole idea. I do love IB curriculum very much and I know a lot about it. I've even taken some of their workshops before for Theory of Knowledge training and loved it. So, think if I were to listen to my heart I would definitely pick IB certified training, I'm just not sure how practical it is at this point in my career.
Any advice is very much appreciated.
Thank you,
George
M.ed., teacher licence or myp/dp IB certification.
Response
From a practical perspective getting a credential by far has the strongest utility a PGCEi is a working certificate in third tier, but as you climb tiers your going to need a professional credential. Thats not to say its hard getting one, you could take some tests and get a entry grade credential from UT or MA over a weekend. CT is also an option for their initial credential, which you could flip though MS for a professional grade credential and then use that for QTS. Teacher Ready and Teach Now are more expensive and more time consuming options but you can then use those to get QTS as well.
The next would be a Masters in edu, it will increase your marketability and give you a salary band increase, but I dont see why you cant do both, since with one exception the IB T&L certificates are effectively tied to various degree programs such including masters programs, they just tend to be from Unis that are very pricey.
An IB T&L certificate is really only valuable in terms of utility to IBWS foundation ISs the vast majority of recruiters and leadership at IB ISs either wont know what your talking about or wont care about an IB T&L certificate.
The next would be a Masters in edu, it will increase your marketability and give you a salary band increase, but I dont see why you cant do both, since with one exception the IB T&L certificates are effectively tied to various degree programs such including masters programs, they just tend to be from Unis that are very pricey.
An IB T&L certificate is really only valuable in terms of utility to IBWS foundation ISs the vast majority of recruiters and leadership at IB ISs either wont know what your talking about or wont care about an IB T&L certificate.
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Illiane_Blues
Re: M.ed., teacher licence or myp/dp IB certification.
@george123
Concur with PsyGuy
Concur with PsyGuy
Re: M.ed., teacher licence or myp/dp IB certification.
Thanks guys. I appreciate it.
PsyGuy, I'm just wondering what you meant by getting entry grade credentials from UT or MA, and CT(you mean Utah or Massetsusats, and Connecticut)? And what you meant by MS? Does that mean that with my PGCEi, I could translate my degree to an American equivalent and do some state test to get entry grade credentials, and then convert that to QTS? If I'm getting it right that sounds pretty amazing.
PsyGuy, I'm just wondering what you meant by getting entry grade credentials from UT or MA, and CT(you mean Utah or Massetsusats, and Connecticut)? And what you meant by MS? Does that mean that with my PGCEi, I could translate my degree to an American equivalent and do some state test to get entry grade credentials, and then convert that to QTS? If I'm getting it right that sounds pretty amazing.
Reply
@george123
There are three generally regarded and accepted levels or ‘grades’ of professional educator credentials these are: Entry, Professional and Advanced.
1) Professional: A credential is defined as a professional certificate that authorizes the holder to provide independent appropriate instructional services in the public/maintained education settings of the regulatory authority (municipal DE) for the region (this is a defining characteristic between certification, qualification, credential, and license). Such a credential must meet two conditions:
(A) It has no deficiencies, restrictions or limitations within the subject and age level inscribed.
(B) It must be either renewable in perpetuity or permanent without requiring renewal.
Credentials of this grade have multiple terms attached to them, some of the most common include, but are not limited to :”standard, regular, professional, CLEAR, full registration, type 2 (II), etc.”
2) Entry: A credential that authorizes the holder to provide instructional service but does not meet both of the above two conditions (A and B above) for a professional grade credential, is an Entry grade credential. These credentials typically are time limited and/or restricted and require the DT to complete some course of PD to transition and elevate the credential, to the professional grade credential. They may allow authorize the IT to teach effectively indefinitely or an extended period of time without any action on the part of the DT/IT. Credentials of this grade have multiple terms attached to them, some of the most common include, but are not limited to :”entry, initial, preliminary, provisional, temporary, Interim, partial (new) registration, type 1 (I), etc.”
3) Advance: A credential that meets the above two conditions (A and B above) and requires significant, and definitively sufficient, additional requirements (IE. an advance degree, such as a Masters) beyond that required for the professional grade credential. While the PD requirements is not definitive, or exclusively universal. The conditions as described above need to be significant and sufficient, these conditions do not have hard comparative definitions between credentials. They may be as few as one, but significant (such as obtaining a Masters degree), or may be less significant, but more extensive (such as mentoring plans and minimum teaching times, and orientation PD). Credentials of this grade have multiple terms attached to them, some of the most common include, but are not limited to :”advance, master leader, type 3 (III), etc.”
A regulating authority need not have all three grades of a credential, and may have other credentials that such as permits, or aids or Was (Teaching Assistants) that dont permit independent instruction, limited roles and tasking in various instructional settings.
UT is the US state abbreviation for Utah, MA is the US state abbreviation for Massachusetts, and MS is the US state abbreviation for Mississippi.
Yes, CT, has too pathways to its entry grade (initial) credential, one of those is the academic pathway consisting of an EPP/ITT program , and the second is an experiential pathway, consisting of to years of appropriate KS/K12 classroom experience as a substitute for an EPP/ITT program. This experiential route substitutes the classroom experience for the structured EPP/ITT program, and would presumably accept the PGCEi program as the academic requirement. You would then only have to meet the asst/testing requirements, and you would receive the initial CT credential. You could then take this initial CT credential and apply for the MS 5 Year Reciprocity license which standardizes the CT entry grade credential into an MS professional grade credential, you can than use the MS professional grade credential to apply for and obtain QTS. With enough additional experience beyond the to to years for an entry grade credential, you may be eligible for and receive the CT "Provisional" credential, which can be used directly to apply for QTS.
There are three generally regarded and accepted levels or ‘grades’ of professional educator credentials these are: Entry, Professional and Advanced.
1) Professional: A credential is defined as a professional certificate that authorizes the holder to provide independent appropriate instructional services in the public/maintained education settings of the regulatory authority (municipal DE) for the region (this is a defining characteristic between certification, qualification, credential, and license). Such a credential must meet two conditions:
(A) It has no deficiencies, restrictions or limitations within the subject and age level inscribed.
(B) It must be either renewable in perpetuity or permanent without requiring renewal.
Credentials of this grade have multiple terms attached to them, some of the most common include, but are not limited to :”standard, regular, professional, CLEAR, full registration, type 2 (II), etc.”
2) Entry: A credential that authorizes the holder to provide instructional service but does not meet both of the above two conditions (A and B above) for a professional grade credential, is an Entry grade credential. These credentials typically are time limited and/or restricted and require the DT to complete some course of PD to transition and elevate the credential, to the professional grade credential. They may allow authorize the IT to teach effectively indefinitely or an extended period of time without any action on the part of the DT/IT. Credentials of this grade have multiple terms attached to them, some of the most common include, but are not limited to :”entry, initial, preliminary, provisional, temporary, Interim, partial (new) registration, type 1 (I), etc.”
3) Advance: A credential that meets the above two conditions (A and B above) and requires significant, and definitively sufficient, additional requirements (IE. an advance degree, such as a Masters) beyond that required for the professional grade credential. While the PD requirements is not definitive, or exclusively universal. The conditions as described above need to be significant and sufficient, these conditions do not have hard comparative definitions between credentials. They may be as few as one, but significant (such as obtaining a Masters degree), or may be less significant, but more extensive (such as mentoring plans and minimum teaching times, and orientation PD). Credentials of this grade have multiple terms attached to them, some of the most common include, but are not limited to :”advance, master leader, type 3 (III), etc.”
A regulating authority need not have all three grades of a credential, and may have other credentials that such as permits, or aids or Was (Teaching Assistants) that dont permit independent instruction, limited roles and tasking in various instructional settings.
UT is the US state abbreviation for Utah, MA is the US state abbreviation for Massachusetts, and MS is the US state abbreviation for Mississippi.
Yes, CT, has too pathways to its entry grade (initial) credential, one of those is the academic pathway consisting of an EPP/ITT program , and the second is an experiential pathway, consisting of to years of appropriate KS/K12 classroom experience as a substitute for an EPP/ITT program. This experiential route substitutes the classroom experience for the structured EPP/ITT program, and would presumably accept the PGCEi program as the academic requirement. You would then only have to meet the asst/testing requirements, and you would receive the initial CT credential. You could then take this initial CT credential and apply for the MS 5 Year Reciprocity license which standardizes the CT entry grade credential into an MS professional grade credential, you can than use the MS professional grade credential to apply for and obtain QTS. With enough additional experience beyond the to to years for an entry grade credential, you may be eligible for and receive the CT "Provisional" credential, which can be used directly to apply for QTS.
Re: M.ed., teacher licence or myp/dp IB certification.
PsyGuy, thanks for the thorough explanation of this process.
I'm just wondering if I should get my UK (pgcei) credential evaluated by some US institution/agency first and then proceed further? Also, do you think I could complete most of this abroad?
I appreciate it.
Thanks again.
I'm just wondering if I should get my UK (pgcei) credential evaluated by some US institution/agency first and then proceed further? Also, do you think I could complete most of this abroad?
I appreciate it.
Thanks again.
Reply
@george123
You have to, part of the application process will require you to complete an acceptable (differs by state regulating authority) NACES foreign credential evaluation.
It differs by pathway, usually the issue is assessment, a regulating authority that uses PRAXIS is the most globally available, but a number of states have their own state specific assessment that is less available. Everything else can be done globally.
You have to, part of the application process will require you to complete an acceptable (differs by state regulating authority) NACES foreign credential evaluation.
It differs by pathway, usually the issue is assessment, a regulating authority that uses PRAXIS is the most globally available, but a number of states have their own state specific assessment that is less available. Everything else can be done globally.