We have two sons who will both be out of high school - our youngest graduates in May. Our oldest would really like to move with us and be part of the whole experience. The youngest want to go straight onto college and will come visit over Christmas and summer break. I know it could be tricky to find a school willing to hire me with a trailing spouse and kids - but are there any country restrictions if my kids are 18 or over? Thanks.
Linda
Trailing spouse and "adult" children
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ISs that offer OSH benefits to dependents children typically dont include adult children. They arent going to fly your adult children to you at holiday time or over the summers. You can try to negotiate such a benefit, its possible that with your youngest reaching the age of maturity at the end of the year and contracts are typically negotiated well before that during the winter months that you could get one child dependent as part of the contract, and would provide travel and housing for them. It would be very unlikely to name which child and your oldest could simply be that child instead. You would be saving the IS the cost of a tuition wavier at least.
The disadvantage to all that of course is that kids are cost, and you are really hurting your marketability and utility as your travel ratio gets bigger. ISs are generally comfortable with a 1:1 ratio of employee to dependents. You already have a trailing spouse, adding two children to it and your basically going to be getting a lot of frustrations with rejections. Its really better for your utility if you stick to the 1 IT and trailing spouse and leave the kids out of it, and later in the process trying to get a 2LDK apartment/flat and absorb the travel costs yourself. Otherwise it looks like your more interested in arranging a family holiday with the IS footing the bill.
If your adult children are non-sponsored they would need to meet the requirements for entry on a visitors/tourist visa which is the easy route, or you could try to self sponsor them for a longer term visa as dependents/family. The definition of dependent varies from region to region. I dont know of any regions that would flat out deny an application of a family member for a short term visitor visa.
The disadvantage to all that of course is that kids are cost, and you are really hurting your marketability and utility as your travel ratio gets bigger. ISs are generally comfortable with a 1:1 ratio of employee to dependents. You already have a trailing spouse, adding two children to it and your basically going to be getting a lot of frustrations with rejections. Its really better for your utility if you stick to the 1 IT and trailing spouse and leave the kids out of it, and later in the process trying to get a 2LDK apartment/flat and absorb the travel costs yourself. Otherwise it looks like your more interested in arranging a family holiday with the IS footing the bill.
If your adult children are non-sponsored they would need to meet the requirements for entry on a visitors/tourist visa which is the easy route, or you could try to self sponsor them for a longer term visa as dependents/family. The definition of dependent varies from region to region. I dont know of any regions that would flat out deny an application of a family member for a short term visitor visa.
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PsyGuy wrote:
> If your adult children are non-sponsored they would need to meet the
> requirements for entry on a visitors/tourist visa which is the easy route,
> or you could try to self sponsor them for a longer term visa as
> dependents/family. The definition of dependent varies from region to
> region. I dont know of any regions that would flat out deny an application
> of a family member for a short term visitor visa.
Thanks. This is the part I'm worried about. I would expect to pay for their travel and even for a larger living space. We would be fine with a 2 bedroom since the youngest will only be there for short visits - do teachers with a trailing spouse usually get a one bedroom?
My main concern is if our oldest wants to be with us for the entire school year - how difficult will that be? Most visitor/tourist visas are only for a few months, correct?
Linda
> If your adult children are non-sponsored they would need to meet the
> requirements for entry on a visitors/tourist visa which is the easy route,
> or you could try to self sponsor them for a longer term visa as
> dependents/family. The definition of dependent varies from region to
> region. I dont know of any regions that would flat out deny an application
> of a family member for a short term visitor visa.
Thanks. This is the part I'm worried about. I would expect to pay for their travel and even for a larger living space. We would be fine with a 2 bedroom since the youngest will only be there for short visits - do teachers with a trailing spouse usually get a one bedroom?
My main concern is if our oldest wants to be with us for the entire school year - how difficult will that be? Most visitor/tourist visas are only for a few months, correct?
Linda
Re: Trailing spouse and "adult" children
Most schools will have pretty set policies about this, and it usually means that child benefits stop at HS graduation or age 18, whichever comes later. Don't expect any financial support. If you want your adult child to accompany you, look on it more like your best friend coming along. Fun, and nothing to do with the school.
Visa limitations will be set by the country even more than the school. An unemployed adult not in school may or may not be eligible for a visa even if the school is supportive. But in most countries it can be easy just to do a visa run to a neighboring country every few months.
Perhaps the school could employ your child as an assistant or something menial. But again that can cause government issues. Think about a foreigner bringing an unemployed, non student adult to live in your home country, and/or giving that person a job that any citizen could fill. The government might have opinions. It's easier in many countries than it is at home, but it's not as easy as just wishing it into existence.
Visa limitations will be set by the country even more than the school. An unemployed adult not in school may or may not be eligible for a visa even if the school is supportive. But in most countries it can be easy just to do a visa run to a neighboring country every few months.
Perhaps the school could employ your child as an assistant or something menial. But again that can cause government issues. Think about a foreigner bringing an unemployed, non student adult to live in your home country, and/or giving that person a job that any citizen could fill. The government might have opinions. It's easier in many countries than it is at home, but it's not as easy as just wishing it into existence.
Re: Trailing spouse and "adult" children
We're on our 3rd IS, and this is the first one that provides benefits through our child's 18th year. So our son who graduated in May has benefits until he turns 19 in February. That counts, though, I think, because we were hired when he was a dependent (age 15). I have an older son that was 20 when we took the job and there would be no way he would have any coverage. I think the bennies MIGHT apply to students that were under 18 when you were hired, not children that were over 18 when you were hired.
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@lindaloo
You may not have an opportunity to pay for extra living space. In some ISs you get an allowance, and you can supplement it how you want, but in other ISs you are provided housing directly, and you are assigned what you are assigned.
Again, it varies some ISs may give a couple a 2LDk or even larger where some ISs give you a 1LDK as a couple.
It will likely be very difficult, the IS is not a travel or vacation agency, and from their perspective your adult child is an adult not a child, they arent going to likely be seen as anything more than an adult guest visiting you. They certainly arent going to pay the coin for a larger residence so that you can entertain long stay guests (even if they are family), not on their coin. It would be different in some ISs if the child was under the age of maturity when you entered the IS, in which case you might get another year or until the end of the academic term or the end of that contract (IE your son turns 18 and graduates at the end of year one of a two year contract, and the IS lets you keep your larger current place until the end of year 2).
Its true most visitor and tourist visas are only good for a few months, rarely for any longer than 90 days. You could attempt to get a multi entry visa that is good for multiple stays (exit/enter) of 90 days or whatever the amount of time is. The other option is to do a visa run out of the country every few months and then have your child reenter. Everything else is a variety of an ask. It would be exceptionally rare for an IS to provide employment for someone so unqualified as an 18 year old HS graduate to sponsor a work visa, that would be a big ask, as the potential regulatory consequences are too much of an issue. An IS might or you might be able to arrange a dependent or family visa that is of a longer stay, anywhere from 6 months to a year (sometimes longer) but it will vary by region and the amount of work necessary to secure that.
Another option would be for your child to start studies even something as simple as language classes to obtain a longer term visa, but the costs of a visa run would probably be cheaper. the fear and issue of course if if one day on one of those visa runs, your child is denied entry and another short term visa. That would be an OF* moment.
One of the difficult issues for many new ITs to grasp is that their image of IE life is not what they find in the media. In reality ITs rarely get to dictate terms, and some asks by ITs are comical. A number of years ago I had a candidate that wanted the IS to make the payments on their car, since they would be out of country and wouldnt be able to drive it. About once a year the forum gets asked if ISs will pay for an IT to bring over their girlfriend/boyfriend on the ISs coin, and that like your situation are very much the same, the IS simply isnt a travel or vacation/holiday company.
You may not have an opportunity to pay for extra living space. In some ISs you get an allowance, and you can supplement it how you want, but in other ISs you are provided housing directly, and you are assigned what you are assigned.
Again, it varies some ISs may give a couple a 2LDk or even larger where some ISs give you a 1LDK as a couple.
It will likely be very difficult, the IS is not a travel or vacation agency, and from their perspective your adult child is an adult not a child, they arent going to likely be seen as anything more than an adult guest visiting you. They certainly arent going to pay the coin for a larger residence so that you can entertain long stay guests (even if they are family), not on their coin. It would be different in some ISs if the child was under the age of maturity when you entered the IS, in which case you might get another year or until the end of the academic term or the end of that contract (IE your son turns 18 and graduates at the end of year one of a two year contract, and the IS lets you keep your larger current place until the end of year 2).
Its true most visitor and tourist visas are only good for a few months, rarely for any longer than 90 days. You could attempt to get a multi entry visa that is good for multiple stays (exit/enter) of 90 days or whatever the amount of time is. The other option is to do a visa run out of the country every few months and then have your child reenter. Everything else is a variety of an ask. It would be exceptionally rare for an IS to provide employment for someone so unqualified as an 18 year old HS graduate to sponsor a work visa, that would be a big ask, as the potential regulatory consequences are too much of an issue. An IS might or you might be able to arrange a dependent or family visa that is of a longer stay, anywhere from 6 months to a year (sometimes longer) but it will vary by region and the amount of work necessary to secure that.
Another option would be for your child to start studies even something as simple as language classes to obtain a longer term visa, but the costs of a visa run would probably be cheaper. the fear and issue of course if if one day on one of those visa runs, your child is denied entry and another short term visa. That would be an OF* moment.
One of the difficult issues for many new ITs to grasp is that their image of IE life is not what they find in the media. In reality ITs rarely get to dictate terms, and some asks by ITs are comical. A number of years ago I had a candidate that wanted the IS to make the payments on their car, since they would be out of country and wouldnt be able to drive it. About once a year the forum gets asked if ISs will pay for an IT to bring over their girlfriend/boyfriend on the ISs coin, and that like your situation are very much the same, the IS simply isnt a travel or vacation/holiday company.
Re: Trailing spouse and "adult" children
adult child = is just an adult unless in school, no?
come in on tourist, exit, and re-enter.
your "adult" child will likely not be able to get a job (depending), so it's an added expense for you, unless he's paying his own way...?
v.
come in on tourist, exit, and re-enter.
your "adult" child will likely not be able to get a job (depending), so it's an added expense for you, unless he's paying his own way...?
v.