@peachestotulips
Thats certainly a lot more reasonable, though $20K with fees, books, testing, etc. and the extra IB course, still 4 times the cost of certification, plus travel and accommodations for 2 months/2 trips is about $25K.
Getting a Master's before being licensed?
Re: Getting a Master's before being licensed?
I would like to do both the online MA in Elementary Education and Teacher Ready within 2 years. I'm wondering what the difference is between a 2-year Master's with certification and a 1-year Master's without plus a 9-month teacher certification program. It's true that the Master's degree and the certification would be from 2 different states.
Is it possible to move up after a few years at lower tier schools, and to teach at better schools? I saw an ad the other day for a school in Mexico, it says it's an IB World School, and it was offering teachers $600/month. Is this what the salary is like at lower tier schools? If so, that's scary, when I'm thinking about going at least another $20k into debt.
Is it possible to move up after a few years at lower tier schools, and to teach at better schools? I saw an ad the other day for a school in Mexico, it says it's an IB World School, and it was offering teachers $600/month. Is this what the salary is like at lower tier schools? If so, that's scary, when I'm thinking about going at least another $20k into debt.
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@cari
Cost and accessibility. If you do a 2 year masters that includes a traditional certification program, your going to pay full tuition for that program of which most will be field experience. The other issue is accessibility You can do Teach Ready anywhere in the world and only need a classroom to teach for 5 days. With a traditional masters/certification pathway you will have to likely do your field experience in a regional/local school back in that states jurisdiction for at least 12 weeks for student teaching and 10 months for a full internship. Even in programs like GMU those that are doing the former FAST train pathway have classroom appointment in an accredited ISs to do their internship, ESOL doesnt count and wont work.
1 year masters are typically closer to 15 months, you take a few courses in each of 2 summer semesters and then fall and spring full loads. Its better to think of the program in terms of credits and not length. When a program cites a minimum time that typically means 12 credits of graduate work in each of fall and spring and 3-6 credits in each of 2 summers for a total of between 30-36 credits. This assumes your research component is lite like a seminar, capstone or professional project (case study) and not heavy like a thesis option which can easily add a semester to your time (assuming you dont need IRB approval).
The CSA region is hardship region because its compensation packages tend to be low. At all except a few elite tier ISs you make enough to live on the economy but once you leave you really have nothing.
The standard timeline for ITs is about 6 years from initial appointment until they move up and over tiers and regions to somewhere they are happy. You usually start in a third tier IS or hardship location and then after a completed contract can move laterally over to a more desirable region or can move up in tier within the same or similar region.
ESs actually pay coin as well if not better on an hourly wage basis then you find in lower third tier ISs where you are on salary when you ETs rarely work 8 hr working schedules and when they do their getting paid. Work overtime and ETs get paid better, work weekends, etc. and your getting paid for those hours. ITs in bottom third tier ISs are getting what looks like better but they have longer contact days and a lot of unpaid work for marking, planing, etc.
The education profession has a LOT of attrition (turnover) many DTs dont last 5 years. I recommend starting with the lowest cost entry into the profession $5K for a certification will be a lot easier to swallow if you can do it on grant/scholarship/bursery or while on a paid internship as opposed to a degree thats going to cost $20K or more that you will be paying off for years if you leave education early. The only advantage of the Masters even an M.Ed is that its still a masters and has utility outside of education.
In general I advise waiting on a masters until you know or are ready to enter some part of education that specifically requires one such as leadership/administration, librarian, counselor, etc. A graduate degree should work more for you than just providing a salary increase or getting you into the classroom.
Cost and accessibility. If you do a 2 year masters that includes a traditional certification program, your going to pay full tuition for that program of which most will be field experience. The other issue is accessibility You can do Teach Ready anywhere in the world and only need a classroom to teach for 5 days. With a traditional masters/certification pathway you will have to likely do your field experience in a regional/local school back in that states jurisdiction for at least 12 weeks for student teaching and 10 months for a full internship. Even in programs like GMU those that are doing the former FAST train pathway have classroom appointment in an accredited ISs to do their internship, ESOL doesnt count and wont work.
1 year masters are typically closer to 15 months, you take a few courses in each of 2 summer semesters and then fall and spring full loads. Its better to think of the program in terms of credits and not length. When a program cites a minimum time that typically means 12 credits of graduate work in each of fall and spring and 3-6 credits in each of 2 summers for a total of between 30-36 credits. This assumes your research component is lite like a seminar, capstone or professional project (case study) and not heavy like a thesis option which can easily add a semester to your time (assuming you dont need IRB approval).
The CSA region is hardship region because its compensation packages tend to be low. At all except a few elite tier ISs you make enough to live on the economy but once you leave you really have nothing.
The standard timeline for ITs is about 6 years from initial appointment until they move up and over tiers and regions to somewhere they are happy. You usually start in a third tier IS or hardship location and then after a completed contract can move laterally over to a more desirable region or can move up in tier within the same or similar region.
ESs actually pay coin as well if not better on an hourly wage basis then you find in lower third tier ISs where you are on salary when you ETs rarely work 8 hr working schedules and when they do their getting paid. Work overtime and ETs get paid better, work weekends, etc. and your getting paid for those hours. ITs in bottom third tier ISs are getting what looks like better but they have longer contact days and a lot of unpaid work for marking, planing, etc.
The education profession has a LOT of attrition (turnover) many DTs dont last 5 years. I recommend starting with the lowest cost entry into the profession $5K for a certification will be a lot easier to swallow if you can do it on grant/scholarship/bursery or while on a paid internship as opposed to a degree thats going to cost $20K or more that you will be paying off for years if you leave education early. The only advantage of the Masters even an M.Ed is that its still a masters and has utility outside of education.
In general I advise waiting on a masters until you know or are ready to enter some part of education that specifically requires one such as leadership/administration, librarian, counselor, etc. A graduate degree should work more for you than just providing a salary increase or getting you into the classroom.
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wrldtrvlr123
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PsyGuy wrote:
> As a final option (the membership will condemn this) I dont know what your
> name is but if its really common or common enough you can Google US
> teachers with your name and then go to that states virtual certificate page
> and print the persons online certificate and use it as your own. You can
> then move into a better job, save some money and then do a certification
> program.
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Unethical? Obviously.
Illegal? Quite possibly.
Advice that brings the profession and the forum into disrepute? Undoubtedly.
It seems sometimes that you are just trying to see what you can get away (which is apparently quite a bit).
> As a final option (the membership will condemn this) I dont know what your
> name is but if its really common or common enough you can Google US
> teachers with your name and then go to that states virtual certificate page
> and print the persons online certificate and use it as your own. You can
> then move into a better job, save some money and then do a certification
> program.
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Unethical? Obviously.
Illegal? Quite possibly.
Advice that brings the profession and the forum into disrepute? Undoubtedly.
It seems sometimes that you are just trying to see what you can get away (which is apparently quite a bit).
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@WT123
Those findings arent true, not without heavy qualifiers.
1) Unethical is only a finding that can be substantiated if the IT/actor subscribes to a particular ethics code that had codified that behavior as antithesis to its values. Honor among thieves is an ethical code that many would not agree with but it is the code for that group of members. So while it may be unethical to you its doesnt equate to unethical behavior to all.
2) Legality is more technical but just as grey. If an IT/actor executed a statement in an application, etc.. that in effect was a declaration of representation to the validity of the statements then its likely fraud. Absence of that then the doctrine of title law and practice law become relevant. Does an IT need a license to provide instructional services? In a municipal or maintained DS/IS the answer is typically yes resulting in an illegal act under the practice doctrine. (the discussion of mens rea vs. actus rea and malum prohibitum is another discussion). In an independent/private IS there is no such statute, an IS can often hire who they want, and while immigration regulations may (and often do) require an earned bachelors degree for an education/instructional services visa/permit, meeting that requirement is not relevant to the possession of a credential or lack thereof.
Title doctrine would be even greyer, where practice doctrine restricts and regulates who can 'DO' what, title doctrine controls who can use what titles (such as 'teacher') and under what circumstances. Presenting a document credential that stipulates one is a 'teacher' thats governed by title law is probably illegal, though this form of regulatory approach is much more rare.
The practical application is that an IT is going to be executing a contract of which is likely some term or clause or combination is going to meet the standard of representation, the issue becomes one of civil liability in which a . misrepresents themselves in the contract and exposing themselves to damages but are not in themselves criminal acts, if their is no regulatory authority that applies to them in the case of most ISs as private/independent ISs.
Depending on the representations made and the controlling law the point at which a legal violation takes place can be very different.
3) Professional disrepute, I cant see, the teaching and education profession as a whole is pretty far down the pipe to where you can smell the sewer. There isnt a week that goes by that some teacher isnt trying to sx up their students or an administrator/manager engaged in some kind of financial crime.
There are plenty of credential integrity issues floating around Thailand already including degree and licensing mills, such as the Burmese certificate of higher learning in teaching/education or a degree from any American university/college you can think of, that you can get printed in BKK for little coins.
Where the profession as noble as it once was I would agree, but not anymore.
Those findings arent true, not without heavy qualifiers.
1) Unethical is only a finding that can be substantiated if the IT/actor subscribes to a particular ethics code that had codified that behavior as antithesis to its values. Honor among thieves is an ethical code that many would not agree with but it is the code for that group of members. So while it may be unethical to you its doesnt equate to unethical behavior to all.
2) Legality is more technical but just as grey. If an IT/actor executed a statement in an application, etc.. that in effect was a declaration of representation to the validity of the statements then its likely fraud. Absence of that then the doctrine of title law and practice law become relevant. Does an IT need a license to provide instructional services? In a municipal or maintained DS/IS the answer is typically yes resulting in an illegal act under the practice doctrine. (the discussion of mens rea vs. actus rea and malum prohibitum is another discussion). In an independent/private IS there is no such statute, an IS can often hire who they want, and while immigration regulations may (and often do) require an earned bachelors degree for an education/instructional services visa/permit, meeting that requirement is not relevant to the possession of a credential or lack thereof.
Title doctrine would be even greyer, where practice doctrine restricts and regulates who can 'DO' what, title doctrine controls who can use what titles (such as 'teacher') and under what circumstances. Presenting a document credential that stipulates one is a 'teacher' thats governed by title law is probably illegal, though this form of regulatory approach is much more rare.
The practical application is that an IT is going to be executing a contract of which is likely some term or clause or combination is going to meet the standard of representation, the issue becomes one of civil liability in which a . misrepresents themselves in the contract and exposing themselves to damages but are not in themselves criminal acts, if their is no regulatory authority that applies to them in the case of most ISs as private/independent ISs.
Depending on the representations made and the controlling law the point at which a legal violation takes place can be very different.
3) Professional disrepute, I cant see, the teaching and education profession as a whole is pretty far down the pipe to where you can smell the sewer. There isnt a week that goes by that some teacher isnt trying to sx up their students or an administrator/manager engaged in some kind of financial crime.
There are plenty of credential integrity issues floating around Thailand already including degree and licensing mills, such as the Burmese certificate of higher learning in teaching/education or a degree from any American university/college you can think of, that you can get printed in BKK for little coins.
Where the profession as noble as it once was I would agree, but not anymore.
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wrldtrvlr123
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Re: Getting a Master's before being licensed?
PsyGuy wrote:
> @WT123
>
> Those findings arent true, not without heavy qualifiers.
>
> 1) Unethical is only a finding that can be substantiated if the IT/actor subscribes
> to a particular ethics code that had codified that behavior as antithesis to its
> values. Honor among thieves is an ethical code that many would not agree with but
> it is the code for that group of members. So while it may be unethical to you its
> doesnt equate to unethical behavior to all.
>
> 2) Legality is more technical but just as grey. If an IT/actor executed a statement
> in an application, etc.. that in effect was a declaration of representation to the
> validity of the statements then its likely fraud. Absence of that then the doctrine
> of title law and practice law become relevant. Does an IT need a license to provide
> instructional services? In a municipal or maintained DS/IS the answer is typically
> yes resulting in an illegal act under the practice doctrine. (the discussion of
> mens rea vs. actus rea and malum prohibitum is another discussion). In an independent/private
> IS there is no such statute, an IS can often hire who they want, and while immigration
> regulations may (and often do) require an earned bachelors degree for an education/instructional
> services visa/permit, meeting that requirement is not relevant to the possession
> of a credential or lack thereof.
> Title doctrine would be even greyer, where practice doctrine restricts and regulates
> who can 'DO' what, title doctrine controls who can use what titles (such as 'teacher')
> and under what circumstances. Presenting a document credential that stipulates one
> is a 'teacher' thats governed by title law is probably illegal, though this form
> of regulatory approach is much more rare.
> The practical application is that an IT is going to be executing a contract of which
> is likely some term or clause or combination is going to meet the standard of representation,
> the issue becomes one of civil liability in which a . misrepresents themselves in
> the contract and exposing themselves to damages but are not in themselves criminal
> acts, if their is no regulatory authority that applies to them in the case of most
> ISs as private/independent ISs.
> Depending on the representations made and the controlling law the point at which
> a legal violation takes place can be very different.
>
> 3) Professional disrepute, I cant see, the teaching and education profession as a
> whole is pretty far down the pipe to where you can smell the sewer. There isnt a
> week that goes by that some teacher isnt trying to sx up their students or an administrator/manager
> engaged in some kind of financial crime.
> There are plenty of credential integrity issues floating around Thailand already
> including degree and licensing mills, such as the Burmese certificate of higher
> learning in teaching/education or a degree from any American university/college
> you can think of, that you can get printed in BKK for little coins.
> Where the profession as noble as it once was I would agree, but not anymore.
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^TL;DR
It is fraud at best and identity theft at worst. But I guess as long as you don't mention a school by name you can say whatever crazy shit you want to now.
> @WT123
>
> Those findings arent true, not without heavy qualifiers.
>
> 1) Unethical is only a finding that can be substantiated if the IT/actor subscribes
> to a particular ethics code that had codified that behavior as antithesis to its
> values. Honor among thieves is an ethical code that many would not agree with but
> it is the code for that group of members. So while it may be unethical to you its
> doesnt equate to unethical behavior to all.
>
> 2) Legality is more technical but just as grey. If an IT/actor executed a statement
> in an application, etc.. that in effect was a declaration of representation to the
> validity of the statements then its likely fraud. Absence of that then the doctrine
> of title law and practice law become relevant. Does an IT need a license to provide
> instructional services? In a municipal or maintained DS/IS the answer is typically
> yes resulting in an illegal act under the practice doctrine. (the discussion of
> mens rea vs. actus rea and malum prohibitum is another discussion). In an independent/private
> IS there is no such statute, an IS can often hire who they want, and while immigration
> regulations may (and often do) require an earned bachelors degree for an education/instructional
> services visa/permit, meeting that requirement is not relevant to the possession
> of a credential or lack thereof.
> Title doctrine would be even greyer, where practice doctrine restricts and regulates
> who can 'DO' what, title doctrine controls who can use what titles (such as 'teacher')
> and under what circumstances. Presenting a document credential that stipulates one
> is a 'teacher' thats governed by title law is probably illegal, though this form
> of regulatory approach is much more rare.
> The practical application is that an IT is going to be executing a contract of which
> is likely some term or clause or combination is going to meet the standard of representation,
> the issue becomes one of civil liability in which a . misrepresents themselves in
> the contract and exposing themselves to damages but are not in themselves criminal
> acts, if their is no regulatory authority that applies to them in the case of most
> ISs as private/independent ISs.
> Depending on the representations made and the controlling law the point at which
> a legal violation takes place can be very different.
>
> 3) Professional disrepute, I cant see, the teaching and education profession as a
> whole is pretty far down the pipe to where you can smell the sewer. There isnt a
> week that goes by that some teacher isnt trying to sx up their students or an administrator/manager
> engaged in some kind of financial crime.
> There are plenty of credential integrity issues floating around Thailand already
> including degree and licensing mills, such as the Burmese certificate of higher
> learning in teaching/education or a degree from any American university/college
> you can think of, that you can get printed in BKK for little coins.
> Where the profession as noble as it once was I would agree, but not anymore.
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^TL;DR
It is fraud at best and identity theft at worst. But I guess as long as you don't mention a school by name you can say whatever crazy shit you want to now.
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@WT123
Its fraud at worst, its not identity theft. Identity theft involves the acquisition of private information, such information as to authenticate the identity of the person presenting it. Educator credentials and names are published public information.
I dont make judgments I present options, the good the bad, the ugly based on experience and trusted resources.
Its fraud at worst, its not identity theft. Identity theft involves the acquisition of private information, such information as to authenticate the identity of the person presenting it. Educator credentials and names are published public information.
I dont make judgments I present options, the good the bad, the ugly based on experience and trusted resources.
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Thames Pirate
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Re: Getting a Master's before being licensed?
Identity theft is using someone else's information to obtain credit or financial gain. If you print my credential, you are using my information to get credit for something I have accomplished. Yes, that is identity theft.
It's also fraud because you are using deception for personal gain.
It's also fraud because you are using deception for personal gain.
Re: Getting a Master's before being licensed?
Back in Blighty for a few days, it’s always good to have a late night chuckle at Dave Psyguy’s tortuous prose. A few months ago, I told the story of a school in East Asia that hired an emergency replacement for a super late vacancy. The school head admitted he was at fault for not doing all the reference checks he should have, but it was late July and schools weren’t responding. The candidate himself had certifications coming out of his doodah and talked a really good game. So the head appointed him and hoped for the best. Within eight weeks, the new teacher had caused chaos – turned up two days late for new teacher orientation, didn’t follow the curriculum, didn’t set homework, was horribly rude to colleagues, missed days and days of school (but then was seen out in the evenings playing cards and bowls), failed to turn up to doctor’s appointments that the school had arranged for him. Of course in the end he was fired. When the head was finally able to do the ref checks, he found that many of the claims of previous employment were simply untrue – that the teacher had never been employed there or the institution just didn’t exist. He had been fired from a previous school in Japan for absenteeism and had glossed over his employment in South San Antonio school district where he had missed 82 school days in one year. Of course international schools and the recruiting agencies have been advised of this teacher’s name so he shouldn’t be able to get a job again. It’s the convention on this forum not to out people so of course I shall refrain but…If you feel like following Dave’s advice to lie and cheat, just remember that you will likely get caught and that will be it for your career.
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None of @walters scenario is applicable. The IS would search the certification web portal by name and and find a match, that would be the end of it. Just more fear mongering. @walters tale supports my position, you can get hired with nothing.
School districts are staffed year round all the HOS had to do was pick up the phone. Even assuming that lateness of the summer would delay reference checks, you dont wait two months and not if your having problems with an IT. No one does reference checks after dismissal, no admin/manager would waste the time.
@Walter
Your smoke and mirrors stories dont even make sense anymore, at least make the bad IT a felon or child molester.
@Thames Pirate
Thats not true, identity theft has nothing to do with taking credit for someone elses accomplishments. It may be fraud, thats not disputed, but deception happens all the time in daily lives, deception is not fraud
School districts are staffed year round all the HOS had to do was pick up the phone. Even assuming that lateness of the summer would delay reference checks, you dont wait two months and not if your having problems with an IT. No one does reference checks after dismissal, no admin/manager would waste the time.
@Walter
Your smoke and mirrors stories dont even make sense anymore, at least make the bad IT a felon or child molester.
@Thames Pirate
Thats not true, identity theft has nothing to do with taking credit for someone elses accomplishments. It may be fraud, thats not disputed, but deception happens all the time in daily lives, deception is not fraud
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Thames Pirate
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Re: Getting a Master's before being licensed?
USDOJ:
"Identity theft and identity fraud are terms used to refer to all types of crime in which someone wrongfully obtains and uses another person's personal data in some way that involves fraud or deception, typically for economic gain."
FBI:
"Identity theft occurs when someone unlawfully obtains another’s personal information and uses it to commit theft or fraud."
USA.gov
"Identity (ID) theft is a crime where a thief steals your personal information, such as your full name or social security number, to commit fraud."
If you are getting credit for my teaching credential (and using it for financial gain because without it you would not be employed), you are stealing my personal information and using it to commit fraud. That is identity theft.
"Identity theft and identity fraud are terms used to refer to all types of crime in which someone wrongfully obtains and uses another person's personal data in some way that involves fraud or deception, typically for economic gain."
FBI:
"Identity theft occurs when someone unlawfully obtains another’s personal information and uses it to commit theft or fraud."
USA.gov
"Identity (ID) theft is a crime where a thief steals your personal information, such as your full name or social security number, to commit fraud."
If you are getting credit for my teaching credential (and using it for financial gain because without it you would not be employed), you are stealing my personal information and using it to commit fraud. That is identity theft.
Re: Getting a Master's before being licensed?
David, David, mine is a true story. I'd reveal the name but for the likelihood of someone on the forum knowing it. The references weren't from a school district, they were individuals ostensibly connected to international institutions. They checked the references after the fact because the school was planning to issue a suit on the grounds of fraudulent misrepresentation:
"Under contract law, a plaintiff can recover against a defendant on the grounds of fraudulent misrepresentation if (1) a representation was made; (2) that was false; (3) that when made, the representation was known to be false or made recklessly without knowledge of its truth; (4) that it was made with the intention that the plaintiff rely on it; (5) that the plaintiff did rely on it; and (6) that the plaintiff suffered damages as a result."
That's what you were encouraging others to do, you naughty boy!
"Under contract law, a plaintiff can recover against a defendant on the grounds of fraudulent misrepresentation if (1) a representation was made; (2) that was false; (3) that when made, the representation was known to be false or made recklessly without knowledge of its truth; (4) that it was made with the intention that the plaintiff rely on it; (5) that the plaintiff did rely on it; and (6) that the plaintiff suffered damages as a result."
That's what you were encouraging others to do, you naughty boy!
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@Thames Pirate
"Personal Data" your certificate isnt personal, it's public information. Further, those are US laws not Thailand, or some other country.
If you read my earlier post, I present options, the good, the bad, the ugly, I dont endorse any particular pathway.
@Walter
You claimed this IT was absent from a school district for 82 days and the HOS didnt know. They could have picked up the phone anytime of the year and contacted the district office at anytime and obtained that information.
Be careful, upset an admin/manager and you'll be sued. Its equivalent to SA adding language to their agreement that if you pull a runner they can or will pursue you for fees. More smoke and mirrors and fear mongering.
"Personal Data" your certificate isnt personal, it's public information. Further, those are US laws not Thailand, or some other country.
If you read my earlier post, I present options, the good, the bad, the ugly, I dont endorse any particular pathway.
@Walter
You claimed this IT was absent from a school district for 82 days and the HOS didnt know. They could have picked up the phone anytime of the year and contacted the district office at anytime and obtained that information.
Be careful, upset an admin/manager and you'll be sued. Its equivalent to SA adding language to their agreement that if you pull a runner they can or will pursue you for fees. More smoke and mirrors and fear mongering.
Re: Getting a Master's before being licensed?
Okay I feel like this post was originally about getting a Master's before being a licensed teacher and then went into something about identity theft. I don't want to post another topic about the same subject.
@aloha_ackbar I just wanted to ask you, if I went ahead and got this online MA Elementary Education, could I get hired somewhere - for example South America? Because you said that your co-workers have degrees in the subjects they teach. Well an MA Elementary Education would be in the subject that I would like to teach - Elementary Education. I'm thinking about applying for this program very soon, though it doesn't include licensure. If I get accepted I will probably do it.
I'm not sure why doing the Master's first, directly followed by Teacher Ready when I can afford it, is going to mess me up forever. It seems like though it's unconventional it might work. I know most schools wouldn't hire me but maybe I could find a job, which would allow me to save up and do Teacher Ready. If there are reasons why it definitely wouldn't work, and I'm going to be unemployed for sure, please let me know.
@aloha_ackbar I just wanted to ask you, if I went ahead and got this online MA Elementary Education, could I get hired somewhere - for example South America? Because you said that your co-workers have degrees in the subjects they teach. Well an MA Elementary Education would be in the subject that I would like to teach - Elementary Education. I'm thinking about applying for this program very soon, though it doesn't include licensure. If I get accepted I will probably do it.
I'm not sure why doing the Master's first, directly followed by Teacher Ready when I can afford it, is going to mess me up forever. It seems like though it's unconventional it might work. I know most schools wouldn't hire me but maybe I could find a job, which would allow me to save up and do Teacher Ready. If there are reasons why it definitely wouldn't work, and I'm going to be unemployed for sure, please let me know.
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@cari
Because your bias, you want it to work that way, because thats what you want to do. A masters isnt a credential. Sure you could get hired somewhere, but you could get hired somewhere without the Masters, they arent going to be much better than the ESs/ISs/DSs you are at already.
A Masters by itself isnt going to open any doors that arent already open to you.
It would be worse to get your masters before your credential because you wouldnt likely be able to count that experience with the masters but pre-certification, recruiters and leadership is just going to assume that you were at some third tier IS/ES teaching EAP for primary.
Because your bias, you want it to work that way, because thats what you want to do. A masters isnt a credential. Sure you could get hired somewhere, but you could get hired somewhere without the Masters, they arent going to be much better than the ESs/ISs/DSs you are at already.
A Masters by itself isnt going to open any doors that arent already open to you.
It would be worse to get your masters before your credential because you wouldnt likely be able to count that experience with the masters but pre-certification, recruiters and leadership is just going to assume that you were at some third tier IS/ES teaching EAP for primary.