Is this really a career anymore? Economists, can you answer?

reisgio
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It would be lovely if school choice came to the US in an extreme form to the point where public schools started to have to shut down. A free market in education would be a blessing for so many children.
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Except it wouldn't be--it would be a blessing to some, but it would hurt those who are most vulnerable.
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That's basically what's happened in New Orleans.
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reisgo "school choice" to people like DeVos is making money for herself and her friends - regardless of whether the school performs worse than a public school or not. The fact is that privatizing education is not a good thing. If you want to improve standards, put more money into the foundation - primary schools, build it up to the middle years and then high school. Stop having so much middle admin, pay teachers more, only allow teachers with top marks into programs (in other words, with higher pay, such that teachers never need to take a summer job, or a second job, you will get teachers with higher grades in uni, who have a deeper broader understanding of their subject matter, which would help to improve teaching and learning in general (yes, there are exceptions, but there's a reason why Canada and Finland, etc have better results. Part of it is better prepared teachers with higher university grades). Then get rid of a lot of the tests that teachers are forced to teach to - test students three times in their career prior to graduation. Grade 3, 6 and 9. Use those as diagnostic tests and provide support to students who need it. Graduation should have state tests of competency that are fairly rigorous in the academic stream general in the general stream, and modified in the modified stream. Yes, 3 levels of classes. Bring back vocational subjects into schools and have pre-apprenticeship training and certified journeymen working in the shops. Just a start, but hey, in many cases US education is broke. But usually in Red states. Funny how that is.
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I'm still not sure why the decrease in remuneration?

It is easier to liveoverseas, but most teachers I know what to live with their family and are provincial,loving their home towns. There is the internet, but it is still hard to acclimatize oneself to a new place. From my ESL days, I don't remember women sticking around long, preferring to go home. As far as the people who were laid-off in 2008, aren't they pushed out of the IT system or decided to return home?

There are more schools now, even if lower quality; however wouldn't this draw down supply from domestic teachers looking for an adventure? It doesn't add up.
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@porter1

Are we not giving you the answer you want? This has been a pretty long topic, and its gone off on some tangents, but the contributors have provided you with insight. What arent you getting? Have the contributors not given you a response you want, or one you like?

That may describe the majority of ITs you have met, maybe because you self identify and associate with those groups, but there is a significant number of ITs that could not care less about their family. i know one IT whose parent passed, and the IS gave them 5 days of paid leave to attend the funeral, etc.. The IT went to Thailand to relax and never even went home for the funeral.
Again, its difficult for some ITs to acclimate, for others it isnt difficult at all.

Id agree that single woman ITs are more likely to return home, then stay.

I dont really understand what you mean by the layoffs of 2008. The IE field tends to mirror the DE market. IE generally doesnt experience DE effects until 1-3 years later. It depends on the tenure of the IT and the region of the IT. Capital cities can more easily absorb IT workers. A lot of the ITs with foreign spouses generally shifted to the DE field or ESOL field, some of them went into business for themselves. The single ITs with short tenures, are generally the ones that move on and return home.

No, simply because at that compensation level your competing with ETs. ITs want a payout, either the location is their dream location or dream job and they dont care what coin they get as long as they can live on it, or the comp has to be better than their DE package. There are lots of ITs especially with family, who simply cant live off the coin of an IE package compared to what they are getting in DE.

Succinctly, the value of "adventure" varies greatly among ITs. Adventure doesnt pay the bills.
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