QTS Certification
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Rhysboy
Re: QTS Certification
Teachers can get struck off a teaching register such as the EWC (in Wales), the GTCS (in Scotland) or the NCTL (in England). Without being registered with one of these, you cannot teach in a school in the UK. You may not lose your QTS, but it is worthless unless you are able to register, as you won't be able to teach in a UK school. Reasons for being struck off vary from being professionally incompetent to having an inappropriate relationship with a student.
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@Smurf
No QTS is not a license, it is a credential (a PGCE is a qualification). Its not even equivalent to a license.. A DT can fail induction, they still keep their QTS but are barred from practice in maintained DSs.
The issue was that DTs who do NOT obtain a PGCE still have assignment eligibility limitations based on academic preparation. School direct or some other non UNI route does not result in some broad ITT assignment eligibility.
This isnt correct, rarely does misconduct result in revocation of QTS. It results in a prohibition order barring the DT from serving in an educational/instructional setting, they still in the vast number of cases retain their QTS. Even in serious cases of misconduct a DT with retain both their PGCE and their QTS.
This was not my claim or position. A DT who is unsuccessful at induction retains their QTS, they dont lose it, they are just barred from serving in a maintained DS.
You did not state "international" PGCE you stated "online generic PGCEs", this is in error there are online and distance education programs that will successfully result in QTS. There is no such thing as a "generic" PGCE either online or onsite (F2F). There are general studies PGCE programs and they do result in QTS.
@Rhysboy
Wales and Scotland maintain DT registers (registration), England does not. There is a central database maintained by the NCTL a DS can claim a DT on it and disavow a DT from it, but the NCTL doesnt remove (strike off) DTs from it, even those who have prohibitions or have in the extraordinary case of having their QTS revoked. There will still be an entry for that DT with record of the events.
Its not worthless. A DT who is prohibited still has QTS and a IS overseas that isnt a BS or sophisticated enough to apply for or have access to the employer portal could accept that and it would be accurate and truthful that the IT does have QTS, and its entirely probably that a DT could have a prohibition and not be barred by DBS, since prohibition applies to educational/school settings and DBS applies to restricting access to specific populations of people. Prohibition only applies to he jurisdiction of the UK, prohibition isnt a global ban and its not removal from the profession. Its entirely possible for a DT with QTS to be prohibited and still be subject to further prohibition on unrelated matters that again constitute serious misconduct. Further, prohibition only applies to unsupervised work/teaching in a school or educational setting. DT could work a s a co-teacher or as an assistant/aide even with a prohibition order.
Most DTs that are struck off are for various forms of abuse. A typical scenario involves inappropriate sexual contact with students where the student is 16 or older (16 being the age of consent) but is still a student.
No QTS is not a license, it is a credential (a PGCE is a qualification). Its not even equivalent to a license.. A DT can fail induction, they still keep their QTS but are barred from practice in maintained DSs.
The issue was that DTs who do NOT obtain a PGCE still have assignment eligibility limitations based on academic preparation. School direct or some other non UNI route does not result in some broad ITT assignment eligibility.
This isnt correct, rarely does misconduct result in revocation of QTS. It results in a prohibition order barring the DT from serving in an educational/instructional setting, they still in the vast number of cases retain their QTS. Even in serious cases of misconduct a DT with retain both their PGCE and their QTS.
This was not my claim or position. A DT who is unsuccessful at induction retains their QTS, they dont lose it, they are just barred from serving in a maintained DS.
You did not state "international" PGCE you stated "online generic PGCEs", this is in error there are online and distance education programs that will successfully result in QTS. There is no such thing as a "generic" PGCE either online or onsite (F2F). There are general studies PGCE programs and they do result in QTS.
@Rhysboy
Wales and Scotland maintain DT registers (registration), England does not. There is a central database maintained by the NCTL a DS can claim a DT on it and disavow a DT from it, but the NCTL doesnt remove (strike off) DTs from it, even those who have prohibitions or have in the extraordinary case of having their QTS revoked. There will still be an entry for that DT with record of the events.
Its not worthless. A DT who is prohibited still has QTS and a IS overseas that isnt a BS or sophisticated enough to apply for or have access to the employer portal could accept that and it would be accurate and truthful that the IT does have QTS, and its entirely probably that a DT could have a prohibition and not be barred by DBS, since prohibition applies to educational/school settings and DBS applies to restricting access to specific populations of people. Prohibition only applies to he jurisdiction of the UK, prohibition isnt a global ban and its not removal from the profession. Its entirely possible for a DT with QTS to be prohibited and still be subject to further prohibition on unrelated matters that again constitute serious misconduct. Further, prohibition only applies to unsupervised work/teaching in a school or educational setting. DT could work a s a co-teacher or as an assistant/aide even with a prohibition order.
Most DTs that are struck off are for various forms of abuse. A typical scenario involves inappropriate sexual contact with students where the student is 16 or older (16 being the age of consent) but is still a student.
Re: QTS Certification
I think my PGCE was very much related to the subject, or , I suppose more accurately, the age range. Granted mine was not secondary so I don't know about that. I did a Primary PGCE but took the Early Years specialism. We had classes very much focused on the Early Years curriculum, phonics, teaching methods for young children, learning through play, how to teach science, history, maths, writing etc. We even had adult level classes on maths and grammar to brush up our own skills! Perhaps it's different for secondary, but even then you do enrol in the PGCE according to the subject you want to teach- usually what you have a degree in.
I was then awarded QTS which is an all encompassing any age qualification. Even though technically I could teach any age (and have a BA degree in a main subject) I doubt anyone would employ me. I know nothing of the curriculum or what to do with teenagers. My training was very specific to primary and even more specific to foundation to year 2 pupils. But legally, I could be a secondary school teacher.
I was then awarded QTS which is an all encompassing any age qualification. Even though technically I could teach any age (and have a BA degree in a main subject) I doubt anyone would employ me. I know nothing of the curriculum or what to do with teenagers. My training was very specific to primary and even more specific to foundation to year 2 pupils. But legally, I could be a secondary school teacher.
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@pinkstar
The enrollment is just a means of managing students in enrollment management systems. When you look at secondary and primary PGCE programs they have very little differentiation. They will not make a non-science major a chemistry teacher, there is nothing content related about chemistry or any science. They provide you training and scholarship in meds/peds, the subject is just a context for which to explore and obtain the KSAs of being a professional educator.
You can have a degree in modern languages and enroll in a maths PGCE course, nothing about the course/program is going to require you to have actual expertise in maths. The curriculums program is about how to create lessons, deliver them, implement assessments, and manage/organize a classroom and various ages of children. There is nothing about that course and a PGCE for modern languages, the subject is just a vehicle of expression.
No you legally couldnt be a secondary DT, not as a legal matter for you, but for your DS. They would have significant issues appointing an unqualified DT to a classroom that didnt match your eligibility fields. Just because your (and everyones QTS )is not subject or grade specific doesnt mean its an all grades and subject license.
The enrollment is just a means of managing students in enrollment management systems. When you look at secondary and primary PGCE programs they have very little differentiation. They will not make a non-science major a chemistry teacher, there is nothing content related about chemistry or any science. They provide you training and scholarship in meds/peds, the subject is just a context for which to explore and obtain the KSAs of being a professional educator.
You can have a degree in modern languages and enroll in a maths PGCE course, nothing about the course/program is going to require you to have actual expertise in maths. The curriculums program is about how to create lessons, deliver them, implement assessments, and manage/organize a classroom and various ages of children. There is nothing about that course and a PGCE for modern languages, the subject is just a vehicle of expression.
No you legally couldnt be a secondary DT, not as a legal matter for you, but for your DS. They would have significant issues appointing an unqualified DT to a classroom that didnt match your eligibility fields. Just because your (and everyones QTS )is not subject or grade specific doesnt mean its an all grades and subject license.