@star32569
There are lots. I tend to write a lot but theres just too many to review in a post to be exhaustive.
I would suggest looking at the UK and OS for two reasons:
1) The program times can be shorter 3-4 years, vs 6-8 in the US.
2) You can still find options such as research doctorates that are entirely based on the production of your dissertation without coursework (taught components) and the option to do a doctorate by publication, where you essentially write and have published the major work (way more than a journal article, think a book) and then apply for the doctorate through review and defense. The shorter period of time of course reduces the cost substantially especially if youre looking at a 7+ year program in the US that is either private or would you out of state tuition/fees.
Since you expressed an interest in working in China previously, you may want to look at the number of Western Unis partnering with Eastern Unis to offer doctoral programs (taught in English).
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- Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:32 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: PH.D
- Replies: 1
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- Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:13 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: Social Studies Demand
- Replies: 6
- Views: 48359
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@star32569
RMB¥25K is very reasonable, thats third tier coin in IE.
SPED/SEN/LD probably isnt. Its growing in IE but there are still many ISs that either dont offer SPED/SEN/LD or only do mild needs. These ISs expect a spec.pop. IT to really know what they are doing and have experience doing it. Having a credential checks the legal box and a degree in psyc. etc. would improve that but with zero experience youre going to be of very little value to an IS. There just isnt the level of prescription and resources (course in a box materials) that you can show up and put something together for a lesson/unit plan. Whereas with spec.pop. students you need a well developed tool box to be able to create essentially a tailored lesson for a particular student, that not only is effective but looks authentically effective.
Could you get a SPED/SEN/LD credential through an assessment pathway and find an IS thats really only looking for an LS role combined with some ESOL (maybe reading) sure those are out there. If the barrier to entry is low enough even a low value add can be a good investment. There are a lot of students with undocumented and undiagnosed conditions that many ITs in IE just have to work with and having spec.pop credentials can be enough of a value to an IS that you get the offer over someone else. Though, if thats the scenario the ISs leadership may be setting you up to be the remedial IT.
RMB¥25K is very reasonable, thats third tier coin in IE.
SPED/SEN/LD probably isnt. Its growing in IE but there are still many ISs that either dont offer SPED/SEN/LD or only do mild needs. These ISs expect a spec.pop. IT to really know what they are doing and have experience doing it. Having a credential checks the legal box and a degree in psyc. etc. would improve that but with zero experience youre going to be of very little value to an IS. There just isnt the level of prescription and resources (course in a box materials) that you can show up and put something together for a lesson/unit plan. Whereas with spec.pop. students you need a well developed tool box to be able to create essentially a tailored lesson for a particular student, that not only is effective but looks authentically effective.
Could you get a SPED/SEN/LD credential through an assessment pathway and find an IS thats really only looking for an LS role combined with some ESOL (maybe reading) sure those are out there. If the barrier to entry is low enough even a low value add can be a good investment. There are a lot of students with undocumented and undiagnosed conditions that many ITs in IE just have to work with and having spec.pop credentials can be enough of a value to an IS that you get the offer over someone else. Though, if thats the scenario the ISs leadership may be setting you up to be the remedial IT.
- Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:53 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: U.S. Social Studies endorsement to QTS
- Replies: 7
- Views: 57242
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@Alchemeister
Thats not really possible. There are only three fields in your dossier for subjects. Youre credentialed in English and have a subject matter degree in Communications. I see you getting English (which includes ESOL which is better than English Language by itself) and based on your degree maybe getting Media Studies. Then maybe Social Science.
Thats not really possible. There are only three fields in your dossier for subjects. Youre credentialed in English and have a subject matter degree in Communications. I see you getting English (which includes ESOL which is better than English Language by itself) and based on your degree maybe getting Media Studies. Then maybe Social Science.
- Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:42 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: Social Studies Demand
- Replies: 6
- Views: 48359
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Social studies has always been a low demand subject field in IE, more so as a generalist than a specialist (history, etc.).
Below is the list of subject disciplines and their relative and general (broad strokes) demand.
Within the social studies field Economics is the most in demand.
Really, you couldnt get a job in China? I have to think if there isnt anything wrong with you, you were only interested in embassy ISs or elite tier ISs, since saving seems to be your priority.
In order starting at the top, and most difficult:
1) Expat School Nurses: Most ISs just hire local, nurses make very good coin in the profession and those in DE are pursuing retirements/pensions, finding one that is dual licensed or able to get dual license, is usually just a stroke of good fortune. Add the requisite language skills and its basically a unicorn.
2) Bilingual Expat Professional Staff: This includes Program officers, such as admissions, finance, marketing, and communications. Most ISs just have to hire locally. This also includes expat ITs in multi language such as literature and language and primary, EC ITs that can do bilingual and immersion (depending on the language and location).
3) Expat Specialized Performing and Fine Arts: At the top of the list in this category are fields like Equestrian Science and Riding. It took one IS in Japan 3 years to hire an IT for their program. These also include specialized ITs I have seen in the past for subjects such as glass blowing, Japanese dance, flower arranging, stained glass, lacquer painting, most of these though are hired on a PTE basis, and often on LH contracts.
4) Health Education Technology: These credentials are difficult to obtain often requiring a nursing license, or other such professional license.
5) Expat Aboriginal or Tribal Foreign Language: These are uncommon languages that professional educator credentials can only be obtained by a small number regulatory authorities, and are taught in only a small number of Uni. This also includes expat ITs in dual language such as literature and language and primary, EC ITs that can do bilingual and immersion (depending on the language and location).
6) Expat Specialized Vocational Education: Fields such as hospitality and tourism management are very hard to identify ITs with actual professional and teaching experience. Many ISs just have to settle for a business studies IT
7) Expat Specialized Industrial Arts: Courses like textiles and metal craft, etc. These courses are difficult to identify ITs with actual professional and teaching experience.
8) Expat Specialized Design Technology/ICT: Courses like A/V and broadcast production are difficult to identify ITs with both the classical training (theater) and the technology skills that can produce things like a television show.
9) Field Science: Its a lot easier to find a classroom physics and chemistry IT then it is an IT who can do full time field science. Most ISs just hire a Biology or ESS IT from the classroom to the field. An IT really has to have a passion and dedication to maintain a living lab 365/24/7 in addition to actual experience organizing and managing such a program. Add specialized environments such as marine science, etc and this type of position can be very difficult to fill.
10) Upper Secondary Maths: Calculus, it really comes down to finding an IT who is comfortable with not only the skill but able to transfer knowledge.
Below is the rest of the list containing the more conventional subjects. I weighted them for both demand and supply to reach a 'difficulty' ranking, with the understanding that these subjects tend to move in cycles. Starting at the top and most difficult:
ICT-CSI/Programming
Maths
*Counselor-University
Physics
ICT-DT
Chemistry
ICT
**Special Education-Specialist
Foreign Language/Trilingual
Literature-Foreign
Dance
PHE-Sports/Coaching
Foreign Language/Bilingual
Economics
ENS-Earth Science
PHE-Sports/Aquatics
Geography
Biology
Music
Art
ENS
***Librarian
Literature-Journalism/Speech
Theater
Global Perspectives
Literature
Psychology-Sociology
History
General Science
Business Studies
Psychology
Social Studies
Family Consumer Science/Home Economics
PHE
Elementary/Primary
Special Education-Generalist
Literature-Reading
***Counselor
ESOL
**** Early Childhood
Political Science
Civics/Government
G&T
Notes:
* This assumes a University Counselor who actually knows their stuff and has the connections for all five of the US/UK/EU/CAN/AUS systems. If its just a counselor who can put together recs and knows the system they came from than see counselor below.
** This is for a specialist in SPED/SEN/LD who can wear all the hats, and can work the entire spectrum. If its just a SPED/SEN/LD IT who can do paperwork and some tutoring than see the generalist classification below.
*** I put these so low because they really belong on the Junior Leadership scale. ISs dont really need counselors its just another student management position to inflate the leadership hierarchy. Its for when the AP/VP/DP doesnt want to do the PTA or parents coffee mixer, and senior leadership wants a buffer between them and the faculty and everyone else. Librarian is a curious position because students dont really need libraries anymore, its one thing if the librarian is actually providing instruction in reading or research or technical/academic writing but if they are just watching a room with some meeting areas and some stacks of YA fiction and magazines, you dont need much of a librarian.
**** Anyone can do this who is an adult, provided the job is nothing more than babysitting and child care.
I had mixed feelings for music, I could of broken it out into music-instrumental and music-choral but there would have been a lot of curriculum specific weightings, and ultimately I just left in generalized.
Below is the list of subject disciplines and their relative and general (broad strokes) demand.
Within the social studies field Economics is the most in demand.
Really, you couldnt get a job in China? I have to think if there isnt anything wrong with you, you were only interested in embassy ISs or elite tier ISs, since saving seems to be your priority.
In order starting at the top, and most difficult:
1) Expat School Nurses: Most ISs just hire local, nurses make very good coin in the profession and those in DE are pursuing retirements/pensions, finding one that is dual licensed or able to get dual license, is usually just a stroke of good fortune. Add the requisite language skills and its basically a unicorn.
2) Bilingual Expat Professional Staff: This includes Program officers, such as admissions, finance, marketing, and communications. Most ISs just have to hire locally. This also includes expat ITs in multi language such as literature and language and primary, EC ITs that can do bilingual and immersion (depending on the language and location).
3) Expat Specialized Performing and Fine Arts: At the top of the list in this category are fields like Equestrian Science and Riding. It took one IS in Japan 3 years to hire an IT for their program. These also include specialized ITs I have seen in the past for subjects such as glass blowing, Japanese dance, flower arranging, stained glass, lacquer painting, most of these though are hired on a PTE basis, and often on LH contracts.
4) Health Education Technology: These credentials are difficult to obtain often requiring a nursing license, or other such professional license.
5) Expat Aboriginal or Tribal Foreign Language: These are uncommon languages that professional educator credentials can only be obtained by a small number regulatory authorities, and are taught in only a small number of Uni. This also includes expat ITs in dual language such as literature and language and primary, EC ITs that can do bilingual and immersion (depending on the language and location).
6) Expat Specialized Vocational Education: Fields such as hospitality and tourism management are very hard to identify ITs with actual professional and teaching experience. Many ISs just have to settle for a business studies IT
7) Expat Specialized Industrial Arts: Courses like textiles and metal craft, etc. These courses are difficult to identify ITs with actual professional and teaching experience.
8) Expat Specialized Design Technology/ICT: Courses like A/V and broadcast production are difficult to identify ITs with both the classical training (theater) and the technology skills that can produce things like a television show.
9) Field Science: Its a lot easier to find a classroom physics and chemistry IT then it is an IT who can do full time field science. Most ISs just hire a Biology or ESS IT from the classroom to the field. An IT really has to have a passion and dedication to maintain a living lab 365/24/7 in addition to actual experience organizing and managing such a program. Add specialized environments such as marine science, etc and this type of position can be very difficult to fill.
10) Upper Secondary Maths: Calculus, it really comes down to finding an IT who is comfortable with not only the skill but able to transfer knowledge.
Below is the rest of the list containing the more conventional subjects. I weighted them for both demand and supply to reach a 'difficulty' ranking, with the understanding that these subjects tend to move in cycles. Starting at the top and most difficult:
ICT-CSI/Programming
Maths
*Counselor-University
Physics
ICT-DT
Chemistry
ICT
**Special Education-Specialist
Foreign Language/Trilingual
Literature-Foreign
Dance
PHE-Sports/Coaching
Foreign Language/Bilingual
Economics
ENS-Earth Science
PHE-Sports/Aquatics
Geography
Biology
Music
Art
ENS
***Librarian
Literature-Journalism/Speech
Theater
Global Perspectives
Literature
Psychology-Sociology
History
General Science
Business Studies
Psychology
Social Studies
Family Consumer Science/Home Economics
PHE
Elementary/Primary
Special Education-Generalist
Literature-Reading
***Counselor
ESOL
**** Early Childhood
Political Science
Civics/Government
G&T
Notes:
* This assumes a University Counselor who actually knows their stuff and has the connections for all five of the US/UK/EU/CAN/AUS systems. If its just a counselor who can put together recs and knows the system they came from than see counselor below.
** This is for a specialist in SPED/SEN/LD who can wear all the hats, and can work the entire spectrum. If its just a SPED/SEN/LD IT who can do paperwork and some tutoring than see the generalist classification below.
*** I put these so low because they really belong on the Junior Leadership scale. ISs dont really need counselors its just another student management position to inflate the leadership hierarchy. Its for when the AP/VP/DP doesnt want to do the PTA or parents coffee mixer, and senior leadership wants a buffer between them and the faculty and everyone else. Librarian is a curious position because students dont really need libraries anymore, its one thing if the librarian is actually providing instruction in reading or research or technical/academic writing but if they are just watching a room with some meeting areas and some stacks of YA fiction and magazines, you dont need much of a librarian.
**** Anyone can do this who is an adult, provided the job is nothing more than babysitting and child care.
I had mixed feelings for music, I could of broken it out into music-instrumental and music-choral but there would have been a lot of curriculum specific weightings, and ultimately I just left in generalized.
- Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:32 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: U.S. Social Studies endorsement to QTS
- Replies: 7
- Views: 57242
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@Alchemeister
No, they should give you something, most likely English and maybe Media Studies. Social Studies isnt a thing (not in the way that the US typically categorizes it as a composite of anything and everything in the phenomenological sphere of humanities), there is a social science dimension that mostly includes psychology and sociology though can include anthropology, criminology, and other humanities that are further away from those subjects closer to history and economics (business, law, geography, poli.sci, government, civics, citizenship, etc.). ESOL is grouped within English.
No, they should give you something, most likely English and maybe Media Studies. Social Studies isnt a thing (not in the way that the US typically categorizes it as a composite of anything and everything in the phenomenological sphere of humanities), there is a social science dimension that mostly includes psychology and sociology though can include anthropology, criminology, and other humanities that are further away from those subjects closer to history and economics (business, law, geography, poli.sci, government, civics, citizenship, etc.). ESOL is grouped within English.
- Fri Oct 25, 2024 4:25 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: Any idea?
- Replies: 1
- Views: 41751
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What is the OSH package?
This is late October, the term is only for 9 weeks, theres a lot of initial coin that cant or wont be recouped. That may be less important to them than having a warm body in the classroom, but unless your presence is going to be during an accreditation/authorization/verification/inspection visit there are far less complicated and costly options. At this time of year its much more likely an actual IS on a Fall to Spring calendar would appoint a supply/relief/(long term) substitute and hire for start in the new year (January).
If the OSH package seems too generous for such a short appointment its more rather than less likely that the benefits arent flat out what youre being offered. If the OSH package looks more like an LH package maybe with a flight (relocation allowance) thats likely more legitimate.
Did you get this offer through or in connection with an international supply/relief/substitute/temporary agency/organization?
That makes it more likely this is more legitimate but in that case your contact with the agency/organization would be better able to reply (though sometimes, and not rarely, such agencies are more motivated by their fee than or the ISs interests rather than the ITs).
What lock down? If youre referring to COVID I find it difficult to accept that there is any state so aggrieved by infection that something cant be done. Assuming for the moment that there is some form of lock down you need to communicate with your PGCE program provider and your IS about what can be done. A letter or email from an advisor or someone in admin, maybe your DS placement, or even your onsite mentor, someone to confirm you successfully completed the program.
In connection to the above, what about your QTS or registration record (GTC, etc.)? You could maybe even get a print out or screen shot of your edu dossier with the TCL/TRA notarized/attested/verified if they really needed you to.
What are the other two documents? Transcript, Certificates, Letter from PGCE provider and Letter from Undergrad Uni, that's four. What are the other two Im missing?
Each document can be attested/validated/notarized/authenticated individually you dont have to present them as one packet. You could do all but the PCE and then have the IS do some research on what they could do for the PGCE given the circumstances.
There are a lot of circumstances where a contract isnt available for execution immediately and there are instances where contracts either must be or its in the interest of the IS to execute them within their countries borders. However, and this is big, you should ABSOLUTELY be able to get a copy of a draft contract. Not providing you one especially in this situation is incredibly suspect. Especially in the ME, but you must consider that this could go upside down very quickly. There may be disadvantageous terms and conditions that are very much to your disadvantage. For example the early parts of the contract may stipulate various benefits such as a flight allowance, only to find burried much later in the contract that the full flight allowance is contingent on a 2 year (24 month) contract and is prorated based on your length of service meaning you either are left holding the bag on the ticket or finding out you essentially worked for free if the IS withholds salary to cover the flight that your two month contract doesnt cover.
Of course even if they send you a draft contract, in Qatar, its still not a contract. You can look as aghast as you like right into the face of the HOS, but the only real agreement is that they own you for some amount of coin, nothing else really matters. What are you going to do? You have a worthless draft that means nothing, either sign the contract they offer you on site or theres the door. Even if you have a valid, legally enforceable contract, it still doesnt mean very much. You can finish out the two months and they can not pay you that final (second month) and refuse to fly you back. They might say it was a poor decision and it isnt worth the coin to onboard you for only two months, so they arent going to pay you and they arent going to fly you back, and if you dont agree to an NDA they arent going to give you a reference either. What are you going to do about it? Sit in Qatar for 3, 6, 12 months and file a legal claim/suite? Can you afford legal representation and the living expenses, to what recover a few thousand coin in damages. Knowing that if you ever get a hearing they are just going to claim your performance was poor, or you werent a team player, or you provided no value add, and youre not being offered a further contract for good cause. They could even classify the entire period as a 'probationary' period making all of the benefits contingent at their discretion.
Why are they recruiting for this position now at this time?
The above is a real possibility but quality ISs have their act together and they have a reputation not only to uphold but that they have earned. If your instinct was to only take a two month contract, combined with such a late appointment, maybe its available because the person who had it before you initiated their exist strategy and you get to land in their poo. Have you done any research on the IS, is it good, bad, neutral, any reports of malfeasance in the past?
They say be prepared to fly out next week, what visa are they flying you in on?
They arent going to have a work visa for you, no way. I mean its possible, but no, not going to happen. I would think they are going to tell you that you can apply for a visa on arrival. Which is true, but thats just a landing (essentially a tourist) visa. Youll either get 30 days with one extension or 90 days, but youre not allowed to work on this type of visa so end of December comes and again they arent going to pay you, unless you extend the contract and then they may say they will get you a work visa. They will then say youve been working illegally and the consequences for you are far worse than the consequences for them especially if they can make an issue of the missing PGCE letter or something else.
Have you researched the labor rules and regulations as they pertain to the IS?
This is what it sounds like to me. They need someone who will look good on paper because someone is going to be inspecting it, thats why they want so many documents and why they are willing to give you such a short contract. Technically, in Qatar they could bring you in for two months as an ET with just being a NES, have a bachelors/first degree, and either a TEFL certificate or 1 year of edu experience, and that experience can be anything you (they) say it is. They are wanting far more than they need for a 60 day appointment.
I would not be surprised if what they are setting you up for is to get there and you find out either the job, the comp or both isnt what they say it is.
This is late October, the term is only for 9 weeks, theres a lot of initial coin that cant or wont be recouped. That may be less important to them than having a warm body in the classroom, but unless your presence is going to be during an accreditation/authorization/verification/inspection visit there are far less complicated and costly options. At this time of year its much more likely an actual IS on a Fall to Spring calendar would appoint a supply/relief/(long term) substitute and hire for start in the new year (January).
If the OSH package seems too generous for such a short appointment its more rather than less likely that the benefits arent flat out what youre being offered. If the OSH package looks more like an LH package maybe with a flight (relocation allowance) thats likely more legitimate.
Did you get this offer through or in connection with an international supply/relief/substitute/temporary agency/organization?
That makes it more likely this is more legitimate but in that case your contact with the agency/organization would be better able to reply (though sometimes, and not rarely, such agencies are more motivated by their fee than or the ISs interests rather than the ITs).
What lock down? If youre referring to COVID I find it difficult to accept that there is any state so aggrieved by infection that something cant be done. Assuming for the moment that there is some form of lock down you need to communicate with your PGCE program provider and your IS about what can be done. A letter or email from an advisor or someone in admin, maybe your DS placement, or even your onsite mentor, someone to confirm you successfully completed the program.
In connection to the above, what about your QTS or registration record (GTC, etc.)? You could maybe even get a print out or screen shot of your edu dossier with the TCL/TRA notarized/attested/verified if they really needed you to.
What are the other two documents? Transcript, Certificates, Letter from PGCE provider and Letter from Undergrad Uni, that's four. What are the other two Im missing?
Each document can be attested/validated/notarized/authenticated individually you dont have to present them as one packet. You could do all but the PCE and then have the IS do some research on what they could do for the PGCE given the circumstances.
There are a lot of circumstances where a contract isnt available for execution immediately and there are instances where contracts either must be or its in the interest of the IS to execute them within their countries borders. However, and this is big, you should ABSOLUTELY be able to get a copy of a draft contract. Not providing you one especially in this situation is incredibly suspect. Especially in the ME, but you must consider that this could go upside down very quickly. There may be disadvantageous terms and conditions that are very much to your disadvantage. For example the early parts of the contract may stipulate various benefits such as a flight allowance, only to find burried much later in the contract that the full flight allowance is contingent on a 2 year (24 month) contract and is prorated based on your length of service meaning you either are left holding the bag on the ticket or finding out you essentially worked for free if the IS withholds salary to cover the flight that your two month contract doesnt cover.
Of course even if they send you a draft contract, in Qatar, its still not a contract. You can look as aghast as you like right into the face of the HOS, but the only real agreement is that they own you for some amount of coin, nothing else really matters. What are you going to do? You have a worthless draft that means nothing, either sign the contract they offer you on site or theres the door. Even if you have a valid, legally enforceable contract, it still doesnt mean very much. You can finish out the two months and they can not pay you that final (second month) and refuse to fly you back. They might say it was a poor decision and it isnt worth the coin to onboard you for only two months, so they arent going to pay you and they arent going to fly you back, and if you dont agree to an NDA they arent going to give you a reference either. What are you going to do about it? Sit in Qatar for 3, 6, 12 months and file a legal claim/suite? Can you afford legal representation and the living expenses, to what recover a few thousand coin in damages. Knowing that if you ever get a hearing they are just going to claim your performance was poor, or you werent a team player, or you provided no value add, and youre not being offered a further contract for good cause. They could even classify the entire period as a 'probationary' period making all of the benefits contingent at their discretion.
Why are they recruiting for this position now at this time?
The above is a real possibility but quality ISs have their act together and they have a reputation not only to uphold but that they have earned. If your instinct was to only take a two month contract, combined with such a late appointment, maybe its available because the person who had it before you initiated their exist strategy and you get to land in their poo. Have you done any research on the IS, is it good, bad, neutral, any reports of malfeasance in the past?
They say be prepared to fly out next week, what visa are they flying you in on?
They arent going to have a work visa for you, no way. I mean its possible, but no, not going to happen. I would think they are going to tell you that you can apply for a visa on arrival. Which is true, but thats just a landing (essentially a tourist) visa. Youll either get 30 days with one extension or 90 days, but youre not allowed to work on this type of visa so end of December comes and again they arent going to pay you, unless you extend the contract and then they may say they will get you a work visa. They will then say youve been working illegally and the consequences for you are far worse than the consequences for them especially if they can make an issue of the missing PGCE letter or something else.
Have you researched the labor rules and regulations as they pertain to the IS?
This is what it sounds like to me. They need someone who will look good on paper because someone is going to be inspecting it, thats why they want so many documents and why they are willing to give you such a short contract. Technically, in Qatar they could bring you in for two months as an ET with just being a NES, have a bachelors/first degree, and either a TEFL certificate or 1 year of edu experience, and that experience can be anything you (they) say it is. They are wanting far more than they need for a 60 day appointment.
I would not be surprised if what they are setting you up for is to get there and you find out either the job, the comp or both isnt what they say it is.
- Tue Sep 03, 2024 1:30 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: M.A Education, M.Ed or M.Sc. Education?
- Replies: 3
- Views: 42776
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@Tol_Eressea
First, its not an M.Ed in nothing else, its a M.Ed in Education and it might help your brain to think of it as an M.Ed in General Education because its very typical of what a non-clinical M.Ed program looks like and is composed of. Its almost stereotypical textbook (depending on the textbook).
Its not a bad sign, this type of program design wouldnt be typical if it also wasnt common. Theres nothing wrong with being common, typical, or even stereotypical. When you ask a lay person what they thing a classroom edu should know, youre going to get things that you see in this program, if you ask a not so lay person youre going to get responses that hover around the trinity of meds/peds/asst, and thats good because thats the equivalent of saying and edu should know something about edu beyond what the lay person would know from their experience as a a student. So not bad, just not special or noteworthy beyond the program does what it is supposed to and should do.
Its also not indicative of being an online issue, you can find 'vanilla' Gen.Ed programs available both online and on site. You can do a lot of specialized subjects in edu through distance, everything from tech. to SPED/SEN/LD.
Second, you cant (well nearly cant) escape an advance edu degree program without meds/peds/asst. Its the backbone, the foundation, the substrate of what makes edu, edu. If there arent discreet courses/modules of them specifically than they are going to be integrated into the courses and modules that are part of the program.
Rankings dont matter in this case, but even if they did, none of your Unis are even in the top 100 much less the top 10 and none of them are one of the Global Unis in edu.
Youre pulling a lot of conclusions from the program descriptions. Thats not a bad thing considering there isnt a lot (if any) other material to draw from. When a Uni creates a program and has it approved theres a document called the "master syllabus" that sets out whats to be studied and for how long. Thats where the prospectus draws the time commitment from because thats what the various accreditation and regulating authorities use. When a program rep. responds to you what they are saying is "this is what the book says" (30 hours) but in the experience of the department and faculty they see, by some measure of central tendency that their students are taking less (20 hours). Thats an observation not a conclusion, some students might take longer and some students might take a shorter period of time in their weekly commitment. Individual differences is a very substantial factor that varies considerable among individuals.
Based on your previous posts Im going to present two options for your considerations.
1) The Portsmouth M.Res in Edu. It can be accomplished entirely online and has only one taught module, how to do research, and then your writing project (thesis/dissertation, etc). Its similar to a a research based M.Phil in Edu., except instead of being entirely based on the writing project and assuming you already know how to do research this program assumes you dont and so commits a substantial portion of the program to teaching that followed by the writing project.
An M.Res is more a niche degree than what you see in more common Edu Masters but this programs M.Res is still a Masters and still in Education. All the while providing you the ability to curate your own degree program. If you want to write about the efficacy of digital learning technologies in literacy development you can very much do that, or anything else thats edu appropriate.
2) Your background and interests sound much more aligned to a Masters in Ed.Tech (Educational Technology). Some Unis add curriculum design into their program. Many in this field either go on to work for curriculum developers outside the classroom or eventually aspire to being an ISs Ed.Tech Director/Leader, a senior leadership position. Various US states (IE. NY) even have have credentials for Ed.Tech.
First, its not an M.Ed in nothing else, its a M.Ed in Education and it might help your brain to think of it as an M.Ed in General Education because its very typical of what a non-clinical M.Ed program looks like and is composed of. Its almost stereotypical textbook (depending on the textbook).
Its not a bad sign, this type of program design wouldnt be typical if it also wasnt common. Theres nothing wrong with being common, typical, or even stereotypical. When you ask a lay person what they thing a classroom edu should know, youre going to get things that you see in this program, if you ask a not so lay person youre going to get responses that hover around the trinity of meds/peds/asst, and thats good because thats the equivalent of saying and edu should know something about edu beyond what the lay person would know from their experience as a a student. So not bad, just not special or noteworthy beyond the program does what it is supposed to and should do.
Its also not indicative of being an online issue, you can find 'vanilla' Gen.Ed programs available both online and on site. You can do a lot of specialized subjects in edu through distance, everything from tech. to SPED/SEN/LD.
Second, you cant (well nearly cant) escape an advance edu degree program without meds/peds/asst. Its the backbone, the foundation, the substrate of what makes edu, edu. If there arent discreet courses/modules of them specifically than they are going to be integrated into the courses and modules that are part of the program.
Rankings dont matter in this case, but even if they did, none of your Unis are even in the top 100 much less the top 10 and none of them are one of the Global Unis in edu.
Youre pulling a lot of conclusions from the program descriptions. Thats not a bad thing considering there isnt a lot (if any) other material to draw from. When a Uni creates a program and has it approved theres a document called the "master syllabus" that sets out whats to be studied and for how long. Thats where the prospectus draws the time commitment from because thats what the various accreditation and regulating authorities use. When a program rep. responds to you what they are saying is "this is what the book says" (30 hours) but in the experience of the department and faculty they see, by some measure of central tendency that their students are taking less (20 hours). Thats an observation not a conclusion, some students might take longer and some students might take a shorter period of time in their weekly commitment. Individual differences is a very substantial factor that varies considerable among individuals.
Based on your previous posts Im going to present two options for your considerations.
1) The Portsmouth M.Res in Edu. It can be accomplished entirely online and has only one taught module, how to do research, and then your writing project (thesis/dissertation, etc). Its similar to a a research based M.Phil in Edu., except instead of being entirely based on the writing project and assuming you already know how to do research this program assumes you dont and so commits a substantial portion of the program to teaching that followed by the writing project.
An M.Res is more a niche degree than what you see in more common Edu Masters but this programs M.Res is still a Masters and still in Education. All the while providing you the ability to curate your own degree program. If you want to write about the efficacy of digital learning technologies in literacy development you can very much do that, or anything else thats edu appropriate.
2) Your background and interests sound much more aligned to a Masters in Ed.Tech (Educational Technology). Some Unis add curriculum design into their program. Many in this field either go on to work for curriculum developers outside the classroom or eventually aspire to being an ISs Ed.Tech Director/Leader, a senior leadership position. Various US states (IE. NY) even have have credentials for Ed.Tech.
- Tue Aug 20, 2024 4:55 pm
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: M.A Education, M.Ed or M.Sc. Education?
- Replies: 3
- Views: 42776
Response
Most of the differences dont matter much. The most substantial one, is that if your goal is to pursue a research based doctorate (Ph.D/D.Phil.) the MS/M.Sc is the clear choice. It will provide you a foundation for conducting research.
To give you some context on the differences:
1) MA (in some Edu or Edu adjacent field): These tend to be more pedagogical. They focus on addressing the 'why' in edu. Why do we assess, why is one assessment more suitable for this application than this other. A lot of your writing and discourse is going to be about 'whys'. They tend to be more qualitative driven rather than quantitative. You use research but you do so from the perspective of 'consuming research' so that you can reflect and answer those 'whys'. You often here of the scholar-practitioner model used in advanced edu programs. MAs tend to balance the two, enough scholarship to make a competent consumer of research and data.
2) MS/M.Sc: These tend to be more quantitative rather than qualitative, as the goal is to create research of your own. The goal of research is to produces data and contribute to the body of knowledge in interpreting that data. The major detractor from this definition is an increase in Ed.Ld programs that are MS/M.Sc programs that justify the research component as leaders needing often times to have the strongest background in research methods and statistics that you find in an IS, thats the rational anyway. These programs tend to weigh heavily on the scholar side of the scholar-practitioner model.
3) M.Ed: These programs are more often attached to or contain a credentialing component. You utilize research but the goal of research is to inform instruction. Youre using research to produce something instructional or pertaining to instruction, whether its a lesson, assessment, etc. These programs weigh heavily on the practitioner side of the scholar-practitioner model.
While it can seem that the MA is a lower level, its not really the case, its simply an approach that tends to be lighter on the quantitative aspect, and thus is criticized as less rigorous by people who are basically statistics nerds.
Admission requirements for M.Ed and MA/MS programs tend to be about the same. Youre more likely to find inexperienced edus as students in M.Ed program because these programs are more likely to incorporate a credentialing component in their program. Though you can find MA edu adjacent programs that have little to do with primary, secondary or even tertiary edu.
There are also M.Ed programs that have little to do with edu as well. Its often seen as an "easy" masters in the corporate world for either a promotion or salary increase. You can get an M.Ed in Entrepreneurship that barely touches on edu and is more a business degree but doesnt have all the requirements the various accreditation agencies require for say an MBA. Educational Psychology is another misnomer as it has little to do with edu and more about the psychology involved in learning, theres little that will make anyone a better edu in such programs.
Not really. Very few subject matter Masters degrees are orientated towards the edu sector. The content level of KS/K12 isnt very high and the ability to transfer knowledge is of keener interest than advance level content.
It would depend what the MA was in. Most M.Ed programs tend to be very general, they touch lightly on a broad number of topics. While an MA can also be very generalized youre more likely to find specialized programs that are MAs rather than M.Eds. An MA in Teaching for example (MAT) may be more marketable to a primary IT than a generalist M.Ed (though both are likely to get you the same salary band increase).
It might matter in a few niche scenarios (such as your pursuing a doctorate) but the subject of the degree (Ed.Ld as opposed to C&I for example) is more relevant to IE than whether its an MA, MS, or M.Ed.
Perhaps the most significant and relevant aspect of the difference is going to be what components are part of the programs. For example, a longer M.Ed may be more marketable than a short MA, if that MA falls short of the hours required to be recognized in some other regulating authority or IS. The status of the Uni matters more if one of those Unis is a Global Ivy. Your interests, cost and resource expectation are more important than the type of degree for most scenarios.
To give you some context on the differences:
1) MA (in some Edu or Edu adjacent field): These tend to be more pedagogical. They focus on addressing the 'why' in edu. Why do we assess, why is one assessment more suitable for this application than this other. A lot of your writing and discourse is going to be about 'whys'. They tend to be more qualitative driven rather than quantitative. You use research but you do so from the perspective of 'consuming research' so that you can reflect and answer those 'whys'. You often here of the scholar-practitioner model used in advanced edu programs. MAs tend to balance the two, enough scholarship to make a competent consumer of research and data.
2) MS/M.Sc: These tend to be more quantitative rather than qualitative, as the goal is to create research of your own. The goal of research is to produces data and contribute to the body of knowledge in interpreting that data. The major detractor from this definition is an increase in Ed.Ld programs that are MS/M.Sc programs that justify the research component as leaders needing often times to have the strongest background in research methods and statistics that you find in an IS, thats the rational anyway. These programs tend to weigh heavily on the scholar side of the scholar-practitioner model.
3) M.Ed: These programs are more often attached to or contain a credentialing component. You utilize research but the goal of research is to inform instruction. Youre using research to produce something instructional or pertaining to instruction, whether its a lesson, assessment, etc. These programs weigh heavily on the practitioner side of the scholar-practitioner model.
While it can seem that the MA is a lower level, its not really the case, its simply an approach that tends to be lighter on the quantitative aspect, and thus is criticized as less rigorous by people who are basically statistics nerds.
Admission requirements for M.Ed and MA/MS programs tend to be about the same. Youre more likely to find inexperienced edus as students in M.Ed program because these programs are more likely to incorporate a credentialing component in their program. Though you can find MA edu adjacent programs that have little to do with primary, secondary or even tertiary edu.
There are also M.Ed programs that have little to do with edu as well. Its often seen as an "easy" masters in the corporate world for either a promotion or salary increase. You can get an M.Ed in Entrepreneurship that barely touches on edu and is more a business degree but doesnt have all the requirements the various accreditation agencies require for say an MBA. Educational Psychology is another misnomer as it has little to do with edu and more about the psychology involved in learning, theres little that will make anyone a better edu in such programs.
Not really. Very few subject matter Masters degrees are orientated towards the edu sector. The content level of KS/K12 isnt very high and the ability to transfer knowledge is of keener interest than advance level content.
It would depend what the MA was in. Most M.Ed programs tend to be very general, they touch lightly on a broad number of topics. While an MA can also be very generalized youre more likely to find specialized programs that are MAs rather than M.Eds. An MA in Teaching for example (MAT) may be more marketable to a primary IT than a generalist M.Ed (though both are likely to get you the same salary band increase).
It might matter in a few niche scenarios (such as your pursuing a doctorate) but the subject of the degree (Ed.Ld as opposed to C&I for example) is more relevant to IE than whether its an MA, MS, or M.Ed.
Perhaps the most significant and relevant aspect of the difference is going to be what components are part of the programs. For example, a longer M.Ed may be more marketable than a short MA, if that MA falls short of the hours required to be recognized in some other regulating authority or IS. The status of the Uni matters more if one of those Unis is a Global Ivy. Your interests, cost and resource expectation are more important than the type of degree for most scenarios.
- Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:50 pm
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: School Asking us to DHL Them our passports
- Replies: 3
- Views: 37190
Response
Could be a scam, but its an actual thing. The reality is on such tight schedules sending your passport overnight to the IS and having someone from the office walk it to whatever office is responsible for issuing visas could be done in a day (or even hours) with an IS having the right connections and relationships, and then overnight it back to you could get the whole thing done in days as opposed to many days using the conventional method of sending you documents and having you apply at a consulate or embassy with your passport. Its probably less coin for them as well, as OS visa services tend to be high compared to the cost of the visa application itself. Thats the problem/issue, embassies are notoriously slow and unaccommodating, and an IS just isnt that important that an embassy/consulate is unlikely to prioritize the application.
It could be a scam, but the probabilities are low. Sure there are criminal things you can do with a foreign passport, but since everything's electronic now once a modern passport is reported as compromised you cant use it for much (faking your age basically if the photo is a reasonably close similarity). You couldnt travel on it accept for maybe a domestic flight, you couldnt use it at ports of entry. You couldnt rent a vehicle with it, or use it to obtain a loan or anything (maybe cash a cheque). Sure someone could pretend to be you, but to what end and benefit? All the worst things amount to your cost and inconvenience of replacing it.
If you dont though, youre likely going to loose the job and its the end of August so what are your other options?
It could be a scam, but the probabilities are low. Sure there are criminal things you can do with a foreign passport, but since everything's electronic now once a modern passport is reported as compromised you cant use it for much (faking your age basically if the photo is a reasonably close similarity). You couldnt travel on it accept for maybe a domestic flight, you couldnt use it at ports of entry. You couldnt rent a vehicle with it, or use it to obtain a loan or anything (maybe cash a cheque). Sure someone could pretend to be you, but to what end and benefit? All the worst things amount to your cost and inconvenience of replacing it.
If you dont though, youre likely going to loose the job and its the end of August so what are your other options?
- Mon Aug 05, 2024 2:28 pm
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: U.S. Social Studies endorsement to QTS
- Replies: 7
- Views: 57242
Response
It doesnt hurt to apply for both options if you can. It doesnt really matter though, they will compare your credential and refer to your transcripts after verifying the subjects your credential authorizes (and after they have verified everything else). In very general terms, youre more likely to get social science than history, aside from all other factors. There have been candidates who held a biology credential but their QTS profile showed PHE because their degree was in sports science.
Regardless it doesnt really matte for IE. QTS is age and subject indiscriminate. Your QTS certificate will not list any subject or age ranges. In the UK it would matter for DE because a DS is responsible for determining what youre eligible to be assigned to. So a HT could assign an arts DT to a maths class, but they would have serious issues if they appointed a DT to a class they werent competent in. That issue doesnt really come up in IE. Youre essentially eligible to teach what your academically prepared in whether its your PGCE, degree, major. So for QTS it doesnt really matter what you apply for except for a few entries (there are fields for three) in your profile, which you can see, and an IS could call the TCL/TRA to inquire about but QTS checks are rather bland. The TCL/TRA will verify the number and holders bio-graphics and that the credential is valid and the status (absence/presence)of any barring orders.
Regardless it doesnt really matte for IE. QTS is age and subject indiscriminate. Your QTS certificate will not list any subject or age ranges. In the UK it would matter for DE because a DS is responsible for determining what youre eligible to be assigned to. So a HT could assign an arts DT to a maths class, but they would have serious issues if they appointed a DT to a class they werent competent in. That issue doesnt really come up in IE. Youre essentially eligible to teach what your academically prepared in whether its your PGCE, degree, major. So for QTS it doesnt really matter what you apply for except for a few entries (there are fields for three) in your profile, which you can see, and an IS could call the TCL/TRA to inquire about but QTS checks are rather bland. The TCL/TRA will verify the number and holders bio-graphics and that the credential is valid and the status (absence/presence)of any barring orders.
- Fri Aug 02, 2024 5:18 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: To be eligible to teach English in IS: take a PGCE in English as Foreign Language, or in English Language/Literature?
- Replies: 3
- Views: 37914
Reply
@Sarah10
Short Answer: Your 'thing' could have marketability under the particular conditions of a specific scenario depending on the individual IS.
(Really) Long Answer:
Well the gold standards are a degree qualification and a credential (Ill get to this again later).
When you start asking "what if" and "what about" any particular achievements or accomplishments that are below that then youre deluding yourself over their actual value. Lots of ITs have experiences that they can impart to others such that the recipient develops some understanding about a concept or the beginnings of how to practice a very basic skill. The practice of surgery takes many years of study, observation and practice under supervision as skill development scaffolds to more complex procedures. You can however accomplish stitching a wound in a couple of pages (or a few minutes of video) in a "how to" and be reasonably successful. You might miss the underlying bleeding any they die from blood loss, or an infection develops which might not matter much if you have antibiotics available, or you can get them to more advance care and start a course of antibiotic therapy. A number of complications could result in very poor outcomes but this might be balanced against the conditions and the environment, your backpacking through the mountains with multiple days travel in any direction to a medical facility and if you dont close the wound infection may happen, assuming the individual doesnt bleed to death, go into, shock, or succumb to environmental stresses complicated by the injury (dehydration, heat stroke, hypothermia, etc.).
When you look at the global picture of IE its along a somewhat adjacent continuum, but just as the example above, youve got ISs that are perpetually desperate because their region is a hardship one for most ITs, or their just isnt a lot of coin, or both or a combination of other factors that just make it difficult for them to recruit. Nothing surprises me in IE anymore, so there is a space on that continuum where and IS may very well need a literature IT and youve got a PGCE, and QTS and youve been in a classroom before (you know which side to stand on) and their IS doesnt go into upper secondary and if they could get someone to teach a dram/theater course as well as the literature classes; and here you are with a line item on your resume where you where the theater counselor at a summer camp, or you ran an after school theater club, or maybe you just watched a lot of High School Musical and Glee was your all time favorite show, well thats one less problem they have to spend coin to solve (leaders are almost never disciplined for saving coin) Is that scenario something you could find in the LCSA region, and not just find as in its not impossible but not so inconceivable to be in the realm of rare, or maybe even uncommon....sure.
When a leader is looking at the record (your resume) and supporting documentation there are three elements: 1) What an IT can teach (degrees, qualifications, credentials, etc.). 2) What an IT has taught (experience, test scores, performances, etc.). 3) Special Skills. Of those experience is king, and strong experience with a record of high performance can compensate for a lot of other shortcomings..... but those are usually niche cases, what a recruiter really wants to see is some evidence from each of the three. Thats where the degree and (traditional) credential gold standard come in, add that to 2 years of post credentialing experience in a K12/KS classroom so that they know youve struggled with classroom management and instructional design, and thats the 'teach and the taught', all thats really left is that little something extra in the way of a special skill and the all important divination of "fit" and thats it, that gets you past the finish line with the gold medal. At least for some IS somewhere, which may not be the one your applying to, but somewhere, and hopefully multiple somewheres that will get you an offer(s).
What youre asking, because the major forum contributors get this often, is asking if silver and bronze, or three bronze, or a silver and an honorable mention, etc. are comparable, equivalent, equal, etc to gold, and the arent, because its not a compensatory process. A recruiter or leader with an IS might accept and ultimately appoint an IT with less than gold, because they might be one of those botom tier or hardship (or both ISs) thrilled to get 10 applicants for a position, being more than twice what they expected, because they arent one of those elite tier ISs in romance regions that can get hundreds if not a thousand applications for one vacancy that might only become available every half dozen to a dozen years.
Yes, ISs and not a trivial number of them will hire the best they can get, which might not be a very capable or even competent IT. At a certain point you need an IT with a pulse and either knows more than the students or is 'engaging' enough that some of the content material just sticks. There is a sizable cadre of ITs who will scratch out a lesson with two objectives (define some concept, and be able to explain said same concept) and if most or even some of the students are able to do that, they count the lesson as a success, put it in a binder/folder, note the term for a future quiz/test/exam/prompt and move to the next.
Get good at that and other edus will start to think you know what youre doing, because you make what youre doing look so organic, authentic, and reflective. Youll explain youre approach using terms like scaffolding and modeling, with a focus on organic guidance and facilitation, rather than telling. Your assessments based on reflective introspection and authentic voice expression. When all youre really doing is chalk and talk (direct teach), and skill and drill (journaling) with some obscure edu jargon (or a pop.ed acronym).
Unfortunately like most things, technology has ruined the game for a lot of marginally proficient ITs and edus, and like most of the concepts (pop.ed) in edu it gets dumbed down enough that leaders can assimilate it in a one paragraph or one page (executive) summary and then they blow it up beyond the confines of its capabilities or they understand it so poorly that they implement it poorly.
Nonetheless technology has sped up this process considerably such that it takes much less time for a concept to go through its evolution stages and become a working paradigm and ultimately if theres enough coin and consultants behind it, a 'best practice'. Thats what the gold standard has become, and the silver and the bronze and the honorable mentions and the spin of this experience and this certificate just dont rise to the level of expectations that leaders and recruiters want to see.
Will some of them accept less, yes, if they have to (for whatever factors effecting them).
You could do a US (MA) credential (Provisional, Entry grade) requiring a couple of pro.edu exams (MTEL) that you can take online remotely (from home). It would provide you an effective lifetime credential that would not require renewal or PD. This is a non-academic (traditional pathway) but combined with your content adjacent PGCE and QTS its going to be considerably better than the worse alternatives and considerably less coin and resources than the better alternatives.
After your PGCE you may want to look at a Uni. like Buckingham for a Masters, preferably in something other than C&I (teaching) such as Ed.Ld. or an MFA (Creative Writing, dramatic arts, etc.) where a proportion of ISs will still consider it a terminal degree. UPe also has a USD$4K C&I M.Ed that is neither too taxing or expensive. Otherwise if you have the rep/cred: a Masters from Oxford in Eng. Lit./Comp. Lit./M.L., OxBridge for Edu, or RADA if you want to go the performing arts route. Otherwise you may as well look at Coursera.
Short Answer: Your 'thing' could have marketability under the particular conditions of a specific scenario depending on the individual IS.
(Really) Long Answer:
Well the gold standards are a degree qualification and a credential (Ill get to this again later).
When you start asking "what if" and "what about" any particular achievements or accomplishments that are below that then youre deluding yourself over their actual value. Lots of ITs have experiences that they can impart to others such that the recipient develops some understanding about a concept or the beginnings of how to practice a very basic skill. The practice of surgery takes many years of study, observation and practice under supervision as skill development scaffolds to more complex procedures. You can however accomplish stitching a wound in a couple of pages (or a few minutes of video) in a "how to" and be reasonably successful. You might miss the underlying bleeding any they die from blood loss, or an infection develops which might not matter much if you have antibiotics available, or you can get them to more advance care and start a course of antibiotic therapy. A number of complications could result in very poor outcomes but this might be balanced against the conditions and the environment, your backpacking through the mountains with multiple days travel in any direction to a medical facility and if you dont close the wound infection may happen, assuming the individual doesnt bleed to death, go into, shock, or succumb to environmental stresses complicated by the injury (dehydration, heat stroke, hypothermia, etc.).
When you look at the global picture of IE its along a somewhat adjacent continuum, but just as the example above, youve got ISs that are perpetually desperate because their region is a hardship one for most ITs, or their just isnt a lot of coin, or both or a combination of other factors that just make it difficult for them to recruit. Nothing surprises me in IE anymore, so there is a space on that continuum where and IS may very well need a literature IT and youve got a PGCE, and QTS and youve been in a classroom before (you know which side to stand on) and their IS doesnt go into upper secondary and if they could get someone to teach a dram/theater course as well as the literature classes; and here you are with a line item on your resume where you where the theater counselor at a summer camp, or you ran an after school theater club, or maybe you just watched a lot of High School Musical and Glee was your all time favorite show, well thats one less problem they have to spend coin to solve (leaders are almost never disciplined for saving coin) Is that scenario something you could find in the LCSA region, and not just find as in its not impossible but not so inconceivable to be in the realm of rare, or maybe even uncommon....sure.
When a leader is looking at the record (your resume) and supporting documentation there are three elements: 1) What an IT can teach (degrees, qualifications, credentials, etc.). 2) What an IT has taught (experience, test scores, performances, etc.). 3) Special Skills. Of those experience is king, and strong experience with a record of high performance can compensate for a lot of other shortcomings..... but those are usually niche cases, what a recruiter really wants to see is some evidence from each of the three. Thats where the degree and (traditional) credential gold standard come in, add that to 2 years of post credentialing experience in a K12/KS classroom so that they know youve struggled with classroom management and instructional design, and thats the 'teach and the taught', all thats really left is that little something extra in the way of a special skill and the all important divination of "fit" and thats it, that gets you past the finish line with the gold medal. At least for some IS somewhere, which may not be the one your applying to, but somewhere, and hopefully multiple somewheres that will get you an offer(s).
What youre asking, because the major forum contributors get this often, is asking if silver and bronze, or three bronze, or a silver and an honorable mention, etc. are comparable, equivalent, equal, etc to gold, and the arent, because its not a compensatory process. A recruiter or leader with an IS might accept and ultimately appoint an IT with less than gold, because they might be one of those botom tier or hardship (or both ISs) thrilled to get 10 applicants for a position, being more than twice what they expected, because they arent one of those elite tier ISs in romance regions that can get hundreds if not a thousand applications for one vacancy that might only become available every half dozen to a dozen years.
Yes, ISs and not a trivial number of them will hire the best they can get, which might not be a very capable or even competent IT. At a certain point you need an IT with a pulse and either knows more than the students or is 'engaging' enough that some of the content material just sticks. There is a sizable cadre of ITs who will scratch out a lesson with two objectives (define some concept, and be able to explain said same concept) and if most or even some of the students are able to do that, they count the lesson as a success, put it in a binder/folder, note the term for a future quiz/test/exam/prompt and move to the next.
Get good at that and other edus will start to think you know what youre doing, because you make what youre doing look so organic, authentic, and reflective. Youll explain youre approach using terms like scaffolding and modeling, with a focus on organic guidance and facilitation, rather than telling. Your assessments based on reflective introspection and authentic voice expression. When all youre really doing is chalk and talk (direct teach), and skill and drill (journaling) with some obscure edu jargon (or a pop.ed acronym).
Unfortunately like most things, technology has ruined the game for a lot of marginally proficient ITs and edus, and like most of the concepts (pop.ed) in edu it gets dumbed down enough that leaders can assimilate it in a one paragraph or one page (executive) summary and then they blow it up beyond the confines of its capabilities or they understand it so poorly that they implement it poorly.
Nonetheless technology has sped up this process considerably such that it takes much less time for a concept to go through its evolution stages and become a working paradigm and ultimately if theres enough coin and consultants behind it, a 'best practice'. Thats what the gold standard has become, and the silver and the bronze and the honorable mentions and the spin of this experience and this certificate just dont rise to the level of expectations that leaders and recruiters want to see.
Will some of them accept less, yes, if they have to (for whatever factors effecting them).
You could do a US (MA) credential (Provisional, Entry grade) requiring a couple of pro.edu exams (MTEL) that you can take online remotely (from home). It would provide you an effective lifetime credential that would not require renewal or PD. This is a non-academic (traditional pathway) but combined with your content adjacent PGCE and QTS its going to be considerably better than the worse alternatives and considerably less coin and resources than the better alternatives.
After your PGCE you may want to look at a Uni. like Buckingham for a Masters, preferably in something other than C&I (teaching) such as Ed.Ld. or an MFA (Creative Writing, dramatic arts, etc.) where a proportion of ISs will still consider it a terminal degree. UPe also has a USD$4K C&I M.Ed that is neither too taxing or expensive. Otherwise if you have the rep/cred: a Masters from Oxford in Eng. Lit./Comp. Lit./M.L., OxBridge for Edu, or RADA if you want to go the performing arts route. Otherwise you may as well look at Coursera.
- Wed Jul 31, 2024 10:42 pm
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: To be eligible to teach English in IS: take a PGCE in English as Foreign Language, or in English Language/Literature?
- Replies: 3
- Views: 37914
Response
Short Answer: Literature.
Long Answer:
For the LCSA region it doesnt matter. That region as a whole struggles (the exception being the handful of elite tier ISs) for credentialed ITs. The difference between English Language and Literature or EFL as long as you have QTS isnt one thats going to matter in very many (if any scenarios).
I wouldnt rely very much on alignment with the IB categorization of courses. Those course names have a history of changing and they make little difference in recruiting. Either youre a Language IT or youre a literature IT, or possibly both (two distinct credentials or qualifications).
You already have work experience in teaching English and youre native language is English so a PGCE (and QTS) in EFL makes for a more fuller resume, but ESOl tends to be viewed as poison especially any experience pre-credential or outside of the K12/KS environment. Whereas without the PGCE (and QTS) in any variation of Literature, unless your bachelors/first degree was in literature, without the Literature PGCE you have a resume with a lot of white space (essentially blank). Though as a literature IT your probably at least nominally competent on the basis of having studied some of the classic literally works and literary genres in general. Im sure you could put together some kind of unit on MacBeth or R&J if you had to. You probably are a reasonably proficient writer by virtue of your undergraduate preparation.
Generally, It would be easier to obtain a credential (US) in Literature (ELA, etc) than in EFL (ESOL, etc.) if you had to obtain a second credential. Again, though if thats all there is to your resume as a Literature IT its going to be a lot of white space.
Without dancinga round the elephant anymore, If youre white and a westerner its assumed you can teach ESOL in the LCSA and anything more just checks the appropriate boxes, which you will have if you do your PGCE (and QTS) in some variation of Literature.
You didnt mention it, but a PGCE in Literature and Drama would be more marketable than Literature alone or Literature and Language. Since for practical purposes leaders and recruiters either think that anyone who is a NES and has QTS can teach English as a Language or they have much higher standards of which a PGCE is only going to be part of a strong application. Literature and drama lets you fill two roles, especially in locations with small ISs (like the LCSA) where ISs in general tend to be frugal with their coin, and a two role IT in a small IS describes a lot of the ISs in the region.
Long Answer:
For the LCSA region it doesnt matter. That region as a whole struggles (the exception being the handful of elite tier ISs) for credentialed ITs. The difference between English Language and Literature or EFL as long as you have QTS isnt one thats going to matter in very many (if any scenarios).
I wouldnt rely very much on alignment with the IB categorization of courses. Those course names have a history of changing and they make little difference in recruiting. Either youre a Language IT or youre a literature IT, or possibly both (two distinct credentials or qualifications).
You already have work experience in teaching English and youre native language is English so a PGCE (and QTS) in EFL makes for a more fuller resume, but ESOl tends to be viewed as poison especially any experience pre-credential or outside of the K12/KS environment. Whereas without the PGCE (and QTS) in any variation of Literature, unless your bachelors/first degree was in literature, without the Literature PGCE you have a resume with a lot of white space (essentially blank). Though as a literature IT your probably at least nominally competent on the basis of having studied some of the classic literally works and literary genres in general. Im sure you could put together some kind of unit on MacBeth or R&J if you had to. You probably are a reasonably proficient writer by virtue of your undergraduate preparation.
Generally, It would be easier to obtain a credential (US) in Literature (ELA, etc) than in EFL (ESOL, etc.) if you had to obtain a second credential. Again, though if thats all there is to your resume as a Literature IT its going to be a lot of white space.
Without dancinga round the elephant anymore, If youre white and a westerner its assumed you can teach ESOL in the LCSA and anything more just checks the appropriate boxes, which you will have if you do your PGCE (and QTS) in some variation of Literature.
You didnt mention it, but a PGCE in Literature and Drama would be more marketable than Literature alone or Literature and Language. Since for practical purposes leaders and recruiters either think that anyone who is a NES and has QTS can teach English as a Language or they have much higher standards of which a PGCE is only going to be part of a strong application. Literature and drama lets you fill two roles, especially in locations with small ISs (like the LCSA) where ISs in general tend to be frugal with their coin, and a two role IT in a small IS describes a lot of the ISs in the region.
- Wed Jul 31, 2024 10:11 pm
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: Estonia mandates B1-level Estonian fluency for international teachers
- Replies: 3
- Views: 34442
Response
In this specific case zero. Estonia already requires Estonian language fluency in IE, currently its at the B2 level, the new law will lower it to the B1 level. The key aspect though is that this proficiency requirement is for those who have worked in Estonia for 5 years (para. 6). So for IE in Estonia it wont really change the landscape much. Its a lower requirement, but all it really means is that an IT does 1 or 2 contracts and either starts to learn the language or cycles out of Estonia for other regions.
Unless the change is going to do away with the 5 year presence requirement, I dont see the scenario of an IT arriving with Estonian language proficiency at the start of a contract.
As to elsewhere, the vast majority of regions typically have exceptions carved out for ITs who teach in non-host country language (ISs where the delivery of instruction is typically in English) independent/private ISs.
LOS/TH has had a cultural requirement that includes some language learning, for a while now, and by itself hasnt contributed to a significant loss of ITs and ETs in the labor pool.
Probably the most prominent location that it would noticeably effect IE would be China, especially if arrivals had to submit mandarin language proficiency to secure a visa and permit. That would turn off a lot of perspective ITs to the region without ISs and recruiters providing some kind of incentive, which they probably wouldnt do. The number of candidates who would withdraw (with a scoff and an eye-roll no less) would not be trivial, but it wouldnt result in a crises for ISs either.
Unless the change is going to do away with the 5 year presence requirement, I dont see the scenario of an IT arriving with Estonian language proficiency at the start of a contract.
As to elsewhere, the vast majority of regions typically have exceptions carved out for ITs who teach in non-host country language (ISs where the delivery of instruction is typically in English) independent/private ISs.
LOS/TH has had a cultural requirement that includes some language learning, for a while now, and by itself hasnt contributed to a significant loss of ITs and ETs in the labor pool.
Probably the most prominent location that it would noticeably effect IE would be China, especially if arrivals had to submit mandarin language proficiency to secure a visa and permit. That would turn off a lot of perspective ITs to the region without ISs and recruiters providing some kind of incentive, which they probably wouldnt do. The number of candidates who would withdraw (with a scoff and an eye-roll no less) would not be trivial, but it wouldnt result in a crises for ISs either.
- Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:45 pm
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: Best countries for teacher with teenaged child / no vaccination
- Replies: 7
- Views: 51727
Response
If youre avoiding vaccine mandates, be sure to inquire if there are different requirements for workers in individual sectors (such as edu) that may not apply to tourists or casual travelers. You are also going to want to confirm with ISs directly hat they dont have a policy regarding mandatory current vaccines or future vaccination.
Age can have an impact on marketability. Some ISs have very sparse budgets and younger ITs are generally seen as cheaper (in terms of cost for experience steps). 40 isnt a barrier, but you need to be emplaced wherever your planning to retire out of by around 50.
Youre not really looking to become a career It so this is rather moot.
Are you credentialed for secondary maths/literature? Tutoring doesnt count for much in IE, and if tutoring is the only credibility you have for secondary maths/literature, thats pretty weak, especially at ISs youre likely to be interested in.
I tend to disagree with the prior contributors. Moving at SLL can be a great benefit especially for a student who has a rather thin dossier in an institution level learning environment. IE tends to have a higher degree of students attrition than what you see in DE. In many ways its seen as more transitional then contemporary edu in DE.
The IBs DIP program is rather global and has a wide degree of acceptance, though depending on the Uni and the region applying from the IB can be seen as a weaker or stronger program (its maths is rather weak compared to many DE Asian regions, such as SG for example.)
I dont think theres really a lot to adjust to, especially at SLL. Almost all western and IE SLL curriculum are highly congruent. Youre not likely to see significant differences between your childs weaknesses and strengths than what you would experience with the AUS HSC or VCE, etc. About the biggest challenges are going to be CAS and Essay. Being in a new region finding a place to do CAS is going to require some effort, if you dont know anyone. The Essay is essentially the DIPs honors paper, and some students arent prepared for that expectation, nor is there an I.B. option not to do it. TOK is just a global perspectives of philosophy course. Dont be a wall flower, and dont be antagonistic, and youll do fine. The rest of the course prescription is very similar to any other SLL curriculum course. Depending on the IB IS you might not notice very much IBness in it. You tend to see more IBness in the humanities, less in the arts, and even less in the sciences.
Primary is a relativly saturated market in IE. There are lots of positions on average each year but there are also lots of applicants. In general an IS will practice a 2:1 traveler ratio, they will travel 2 people (one of them being the IT) for each FTE role they fill. Youre at that ratio, but you are more expensive than a candidate without edu age dependents.
I tend to agree with @sciteach that the real issue is going to be not finding a job, as there is a job for anyone who will accept anything, but an IS somewhere you want to be with an IS youd feel comfortable teaching at and sending your child to, and also paying enough coin and comp to make it worth while, all add up to challenges for what is essentially a tourist IT.
Age can have an impact on marketability. Some ISs have very sparse budgets and younger ITs are generally seen as cheaper (in terms of cost for experience steps). 40 isnt a barrier, but you need to be emplaced wherever your planning to retire out of by around 50.
Youre not really looking to become a career It so this is rather moot.
Are you credentialed for secondary maths/literature? Tutoring doesnt count for much in IE, and if tutoring is the only credibility you have for secondary maths/literature, thats pretty weak, especially at ISs youre likely to be interested in.
I tend to disagree with the prior contributors. Moving at SLL can be a great benefit especially for a student who has a rather thin dossier in an institution level learning environment. IE tends to have a higher degree of students attrition than what you see in DE. In many ways its seen as more transitional then contemporary edu in DE.
The IBs DIP program is rather global and has a wide degree of acceptance, though depending on the Uni and the region applying from the IB can be seen as a weaker or stronger program (its maths is rather weak compared to many DE Asian regions, such as SG for example.)
I dont think theres really a lot to adjust to, especially at SLL. Almost all western and IE SLL curriculum are highly congruent. Youre not likely to see significant differences between your childs weaknesses and strengths than what you would experience with the AUS HSC or VCE, etc. About the biggest challenges are going to be CAS and Essay. Being in a new region finding a place to do CAS is going to require some effort, if you dont know anyone. The Essay is essentially the DIPs honors paper, and some students arent prepared for that expectation, nor is there an I.B. option not to do it. TOK is just a global perspectives of philosophy course. Dont be a wall flower, and dont be antagonistic, and youll do fine. The rest of the course prescription is very similar to any other SLL curriculum course. Depending on the IB IS you might not notice very much IBness in it. You tend to see more IBness in the humanities, less in the arts, and even less in the sciences.
Primary is a relativly saturated market in IE. There are lots of positions on average each year but there are also lots of applicants. In general an IS will practice a 2:1 traveler ratio, they will travel 2 people (one of them being the IT) for each FTE role they fill. Youre at that ratio, but you are more expensive than a candidate without edu age dependents.
I tend to agree with @sciteach that the real issue is going to be not finding a job, as there is a job for anyone who will accept anything, but an IS somewhere you want to be with an IS youd feel comfortable teaching at and sending your child to, and also paying enough coin and comp to make it worth while, all add up to challenges for what is essentially a tourist IT.
- Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:09 am
- Forum: Forum 1. From Questions About ISS & Search to Anything and Everything About International Teaching
- Topic: Getting state-certified or upgrading my IS teaching qualifications at my age
- Replies: 9
- Views: 60372
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@shaolefen1
The credits from iTeach, Moreland, Teach Ready, etc. arent worth very much. Morelands credits are really only worth something substantial if you pursue their Masters, but its a pricey program. The rest would give you a handful of credits (somewhere between 6-9) you might be able to transfer to somewhere such as UPe.
Its more an either or scenario. MS doesnt have a portfolio based system. Either the AZ credential is acceptable for the MS Reciprocity (Professional grade) credential or the ABC EPP/ITT program (leading to the WI Tier II Provisional (Initial grade) credential) is acceptable for the MS Reciprocity (Professional grade) credential. Whatever preparation and credential you present has to meet the reciprocity requirements on its own. Its not a compensatory system (and this tends to be the case for US DOEs) where you can put together some of one thing and some of another, etc. and theres a combination thats enough to get to a Professional grade credential, when you dont have one to start with.
The WI Tier II Provisional (Initial grade) credential is going to have comparable reciprocity for an equivalent Initial grade credential across states (along with being an EPP/ITT program completer). Thats what youre going to find with a Professional grade credential in many cases anyway, unless youre applying to a state that only has one mutual recognition credential (such as MS or TX) and that credential is a Professional grade credential; or the State DOE has a specific reciprocity credential, (IE. WA and its Residence credential). Typically what you see happen is an applicant comes to a State DOE with a regular type credential and they issue a regular type Initial grade credential with deficiencies, (requiring pro.edu exams, or X months/years of experience, or completing their in-state mentoring program, etc.) which than allows the applicant to transition to the professional grade credential for that state.
You may want to consider getting a credential (either the MA provisional or the AZ Subject Matter Expert, ACSI, etc.), and then shopping your resume around and see what its worth. Does anyone want you and what type of interest does it generate? Im assuming your bachelors/first degree is in Literature or something comparable (since the AZ will only credential you in the field your degree is in for the AZ Subject Matter Expert credential). You may find that your academic background and any credential that makes you "legal" in terms of being a pro.edu is what matters in your case. You can either be specific (MA Provisional Certificate in ELA/Literature/etc.) or generic (AZ Teaching Certificate ELA/Literature/etc.) on the resume and see if it makes a difference to your marketability. Its better to find out for pence over pounds what your value is worth, than it is to invest substantially more coin and find out it doesnt equate to a comparable return on your investment. To start, what would a credential or Masters at your current IS get you in increased coin? You want to put a credential on your CV ASAP, so that you can begin counting your years of experience in IE as post credential time.
AZ will accept them from OS. First, Make sure you have them rolled by a law enforcement agency (one of the city designated NPAs) and not a commercial third . organization. Second, include full postage on the return envelope for international first class post. Its not going to look odd. The AZ DPS gets many submissions daily, those blue envelopes are opened and scanned as quickly as possible with little attention. As long as it looks like all the other envelopes its not going to stand out.
A Masters will get you more coin and adds marketability. Marketability isnt synonymous with impressiveness. Unless your degree is from one of the handful of Global Ivys, its not going to impress anyone in IE.
UPe doesnt use a cohort model. They say they do but they dont. All it really does is identify you as being admitted with a particular group of candidates based on date. After your first term you will register for whatever courses you are eligible for. Buckingham uses a cohort model; youll be admitted with a class group for the Fall term and progress through the five modules in sequence, just as the other members of your class will. UPe requires you to complete one term every 5 terms (there are 5 terms in the AY). Completion means completing the grade assessment for at least one course within a term. You can be absent from terms without effect.
Many regions (US, CAN, etc.) will accept Filipino DTs. Its typically some form of low grade credential or permit type credential that a DS or LEA sponsors from the DOE/MOE, that gets them into the classroom as opposed to completing the mutual recognition process.
You wouldnt be eligible for any type of regular credential with the ACSI certificate. Its a very low cost and fast certificate that some ITs have utilized in the past when time is short. Its something you could apply for in mid July and have issued by the end of August in time for the start of the AY that all together would cost under USD$100 (USD$75 application fee, plus cost of transcripts). However, with remote testing available for the MTEL (MA) the processing time is about the same (a few weeks difference at most).
QTLS would certainly take some work on your part to set up the mentoring (field experience) but the cost in coin (about £650) is the lowest cost in coin for a professional grade credential and professional formation (and one of the fastest program options).
The credits from iTeach, Moreland, Teach Ready, etc. arent worth very much. Morelands credits are really only worth something substantial if you pursue their Masters, but its a pricey program. The rest would give you a handful of credits (somewhere between 6-9) you might be able to transfer to somewhere such as UPe.
Its more an either or scenario. MS doesnt have a portfolio based system. Either the AZ credential is acceptable for the MS Reciprocity (Professional grade) credential or the ABC EPP/ITT program (leading to the WI Tier II Provisional (Initial grade) credential) is acceptable for the MS Reciprocity (Professional grade) credential. Whatever preparation and credential you present has to meet the reciprocity requirements on its own. Its not a compensatory system (and this tends to be the case for US DOEs) where you can put together some of one thing and some of another, etc. and theres a combination thats enough to get to a Professional grade credential, when you dont have one to start with.
The WI Tier II Provisional (Initial grade) credential is going to have comparable reciprocity for an equivalent Initial grade credential across states (along with being an EPP/ITT program completer). Thats what youre going to find with a Professional grade credential in many cases anyway, unless youre applying to a state that only has one mutual recognition credential (such as MS or TX) and that credential is a Professional grade credential; or the State DOE has a specific reciprocity credential, (IE. WA and its Residence credential). Typically what you see happen is an applicant comes to a State DOE with a regular type credential and they issue a regular type Initial grade credential with deficiencies, (requiring pro.edu exams, or X months/years of experience, or completing their in-state mentoring program, etc.) which than allows the applicant to transition to the professional grade credential for that state.
You may want to consider getting a credential (either the MA provisional or the AZ Subject Matter Expert, ACSI, etc.), and then shopping your resume around and see what its worth. Does anyone want you and what type of interest does it generate? Im assuming your bachelors/first degree is in Literature or something comparable (since the AZ will only credential you in the field your degree is in for the AZ Subject Matter Expert credential). You may find that your academic background and any credential that makes you "legal" in terms of being a pro.edu is what matters in your case. You can either be specific (MA Provisional Certificate in ELA/Literature/etc.) or generic (AZ Teaching Certificate ELA/Literature/etc.) on the resume and see if it makes a difference to your marketability. Its better to find out for pence over pounds what your value is worth, than it is to invest substantially more coin and find out it doesnt equate to a comparable return on your investment. To start, what would a credential or Masters at your current IS get you in increased coin? You want to put a credential on your CV ASAP, so that you can begin counting your years of experience in IE as post credential time.
AZ will accept them from OS. First, Make sure you have them rolled by a law enforcement agency (one of the city designated NPAs) and not a commercial third . organization. Second, include full postage on the return envelope for international first class post. Its not going to look odd. The AZ DPS gets many submissions daily, those blue envelopes are opened and scanned as quickly as possible with little attention. As long as it looks like all the other envelopes its not going to stand out.
A Masters will get you more coin and adds marketability. Marketability isnt synonymous with impressiveness. Unless your degree is from one of the handful of Global Ivys, its not going to impress anyone in IE.
UPe doesnt use a cohort model. They say they do but they dont. All it really does is identify you as being admitted with a particular group of candidates based on date. After your first term you will register for whatever courses you are eligible for. Buckingham uses a cohort model; youll be admitted with a class group for the Fall term and progress through the five modules in sequence, just as the other members of your class will. UPe requires you to complete one term every 5 terms (there are 5 terms in the AY). Completion means completing the grade assessment for at least one course within a term. You can be absent from terms without effect.
Many regions (US, CAN, etc.) will accept Filipino DTs. Its typically some form of low grade credential or permit type credential that a DS or LEA sponsors from the DOE/MOE, that gets them into the classroom as opposed to completing the mutual recognition process.
You wouldnt be eligible for any type of regular credential with the ACSI certificate. Its a very low cost and fast certificate that some ITs have utilized in the past when time is short. Its something you could apply for in mid July and have issued by the end of August in time for the start of the AY that all together would cost under USD$100 (USD$75 application fee, plus cost of transcripts). However, with remote testing available for the MTEL (MA) the processing time is about the same (a few weeks difference at most).
QTLS would certainly take some work on your part to set up the mentoring (field experience) but the cost in coin (about £650) is the lowest cost in coin for a professional grade credential and professional formation (and one of the fastest program options).