shadowjack wrote:
> My question is why would you not stay at home and do two years, forget
> about that spiteful B-, develop new letters of reference and then get out
> there?

From my understanding, the teacher market is much more competitive in USA than overseas. I was hoping that the overseas hiring paradigm would not stress over a missing supervisor reference.

You are saying both international and domestic would see this as a career non-starter?

thanks for your input, shadowjack. My question is more for the LORs. In internationally teaching, is the supervisor essential or important for job hunting, that is, can one substitute another reference (like college or non-teaching work, etc.)? This is an important question for me, as if it is de facto essential for the supervisor reference, I'm sunk.

Thanks

SweetWaterGringo wrote:
> I think it's always best to be honest. I would include it and, to the best
> you are able, give a reason for your belief you got the grade -- without
> too much in the way of ad hominem attack on the college supervisor. I
> would then stress the excellent recommendation and your the reason you'd
> make a good candidate. It's better to face it than to hide it and be
> discovered later. That is never good. Better not to get the job than to
> be looking over your shoulder for two years wondering if you'll get caught
> in the lie.

The program, like most in the U.S., is based on misrepresentation and loan money. The letter is a result of me bothering her with phone calls at dinner to try to troubleshoot the inability of the school to supply science co-teachers and follow the manual...

My question is, in the international job field, does a fresh teacher grad need all three references, or is there some leeway of what to include, two of three, one of three, etc.?

Domestically, it appears all three references are needed or it is an automatic rejection.

What student teacher references and evaluations should a new teacher include, and in what order of importance, with their application to schools (both domestic and international)?

I have two marginally above average LORs from co-teachers. There was another science teacher at the school that gave an excellent recommendation.

However, the college supervisor is very negative and spiteful and gave me a very poor reference and a B-. (She had sole decision for the grade.)

Is there anyway to circumvent this? The feedback I'm getting is that leaving the supervisor off the collage of LORs is a severe red flag and automatic disqualifier.

What is the rule overseas with these LORs? Also, how much negative impact will the B- have, particularly without the superivsor reference?

At this point, after wasting 1.5 years, cash, and effort, I'm discouraged.

Just graduated with a masters in secondary science in USA. I was given a bad assessment by my second coteacher and the college supervisor is amplifying it to count for more than the first coteacher's input. At this point,, I have discovered that schools demand both coteacher references and a college supervisor reference. I don't see how I can troubleshoot this problem. I am thinking of returning to my pre-education school job for three to five years, not only to make money, but to wait out the the college supervisor and the coteacher in question. (Both are cynical and near retirement age.) What sort of trouble will I come in contact with, if in three-five years, I try to enter teaching with no education experience during that time? Alternatively, if I work part time at a tutoring service or teach science on one of those online colleges or as a part-time adjunct at a junior college, will those references be honored, and I can keep off the two negative practicum references? What if I state I was not able to get either the coteacher or college supervisor reference? I'm would really like to focus on troubleshooting this situation, thank you.

I have a high GPA, but a B- for my student practicum experience. In my state, there is a high school and a middle school experience. The B- counts for both experiences. There is no breakdown in the grade, oddly.

One of the experiences was positive and I received a positive reference from the teacher I was with (another science teacher wrote an excellent reference.)

The other teacher at a different school wrote a poor reference. (This experience resulted in the B-.)



My questions (in the context of applying to the very competitive states of the North East, Upper Mid-West, and West Coast are:

A. How bad will the B- hold me back? Because it is the practicum, I have heard it is the most important grade.

B. I will not use the teacher that gave negative grade input and a poor reference. How bad will this impact my resume/portfolio?

C. I will use the two positive references from the other school. (How much will this negate the absence of a reference from the second teacher that gave a poor reference?)

D. I have positive professor and a tutor program reference.

E. I have several science credentials.

Thank you for your time