Each school is different and of course local laws apply. In many schools in Europe, for example, the tuition benefit may be waived, but the amount is considered compensation, meaning the employee will get hit on their taxes. When you are paying 35-45% tax on 15-25K, your tax bill might be an extra 8K a year. That adds up when it's more than one kid and can be cost prohibitive if you are only on one income.

Some schools provide placements or a certain number. Some don't provide anything. Some might have income guidelines or rules on how much an employee must work (part time might count differently, for example). I am sure there are myriad ways to handle the issue. Your best bet is to ask the school as part of the interview process.

Ah, the famous mythical equestrian school in Japan. This one makes me laugh every time you repost this bull.

It is true that sometimes two schools in the same place have different rules. Some schools are fully private, others are semi-private or even public, and that may mean different rules regarding teacher qualification or work rights. So just because a country may not limit who can work there, the school might. But it always makes me leery.

And another copy and paste. It's almost as if you have no original thoughts.

Yes, my material is original (to the forum, not the German documentation), valid, and correct. I even provided documentation and answered clarifying questions rather than copying and pasting the same sentences and stating that I only used trusted sources without providing them.

But hey, feel free to answer some questions on topics about which you claim to know more. Put your money where your mouth is.

Yes, why change from gaslighting and from restating my information without regard to accuracy? No need for you to know anything that way!

Copy and paste, gaslight, rinse, repeat. Get some new material already.

A candidate school already offering a diploma of some kind can structure its courses however it wants. They aren’t offering the IB DP or claiming to do so.

[quote=PsyGuy post_id=64423 time=1720776248 user_id=68047]

ISs (Independent/Private) in Germany, in general, may offer whatever curriculum and programs they wish. DSs (Maintained/Public) must offer a German national program, which may be in addition to other alternative programs.
[/quote]

Restating what I just said yet again—and still telling me I am wrong for saying it!

The pattern continues.

Again, you are arguing with things I never said in the realm of what ifs since the OP has clarified.

However, I do need to offer one correction. An Ersatzschule at the secondary level MUST offer a German Abschluss. They can offer something else (such as the IB MYP or DP) parallel, but they must offer Abi or MSA (or ESA or Fachabi). They cannot just offer AP and IB. An Ergänzungsschule can do so.

And I won’t argue with you on the difference between colloquialisms and abbreviations. It‘s clear you are simply playing games.

Nobody said anything about offering a variation of the DP.

You said a candidate school could offer DIP--and you are playing games here. Your forum history has you using DIP for the IB DP. Here you are trying to say that schools could offer a diploma while being a candidate school--something I already said. I pointed out that these could be similar to the IBDP, but I also said that they would still have to offer a German Abschluss if they are an Ersatzschule (Abi, MSA). I also said (repeatedly) that a candidate school could not offer the IB DP. So you are arguing just to argue.

We have further established that on the IBO website, there are no schools that offer the IB PYP and IB MYP (regardless of whether they offer the DP) that are in Bavaria and are also Ersatzschulen. The OP then clarified that they do offer the IB DP. This after I pointed out that the only schools in Germany that offered both PYP and MYP but not DP were not located in Bavaria. So no, not a candidate school, and since it offers all three and is in Bavaria, it is an Ergänzungsschule.

And now we can add your statements about the IB DP to the list of copy-and-paste statements, along with your repeated misspelling of nonsense. And your use of [sic] would mean that I was in error in my use of the abbreviation DP. Whether used as an abbreviation for the DP or for a generic program offering a diploma, the abbreviation is fine. You just enjoy arguing to argue. I confess that I enjoy watching you stumble along until you are only left with copy-and-paste responses. You never seem to rise to the occasion when asked to answer questions, provide sources for the data you insist you use, etc.

Now a candidate school can and cannot offer the DP? You’re cracked.

A candidate school can write supporting documents and curriculum—they have to, actually—but they cannot claim to offer the DP. They can teach the same content, offer the external assessments internally, and use the same methods and principles. So can any school—what I saidfrom the start. They cannot offer the DP or claim to. Therefore the school in question is not a candidate school and is and Ergänzungsschule.

Given that I used it first (and correctly), I think it’s safe to say I didn’t need your summary of the Wikipedia entry for [sic]. But verbose restatements, sometimes with inaccuracies, are your bread and butter on this forum. Then you like to copy and paste your statements indefinitely in the hopes that it will somehow make them true. It won’t. Or maybe you are trying to avoid actual clarification of the points you are making because this exposes your ignorance. It highlights it, but hey, we can’t expect better from someone whose real knowledge on a subject is lacking.

A candidate school cannot offer DP. Any school or individual teacher can read through the guide for any given subject and use as much or as little of it as they want, so any school can say they use the DP as a basis, but they cannot claim to offer DP.

Incidentally, [sic] is used to denote that the error was in the text, but DP is the actual abbreviation, so it is not a mistake. Cute that you copied even that (incorrectly) from me.

Have you ever worked at a candidate school? Again: They do not offer the DP. They might have the class before authorisation resemble what they will be offering in the coming years (as I indicated), but they do not and cannot claim to offer the DP.

You also keep repeating this sentence about rigid positions, but you don't seem to have any idea of what that means. Repetition doesn't make it true. The position has been clarified. If anyone has further questions, feel free to reach out.

Re: visa--again, you keep repeating the same sentence as if that somehow makes it true. It doesn't. You haven't provided any evidence, links, or details.

re: "Trust IS"--again, repeating the same made up term and rote sentences doesn't make it true.

The constant repetition, mimicry, and inability to understand make it clear you are unhinged.

PsyGuy wrote:
> @Alchemeister
>
> I find little persuasive evidence that the IS in this instance would go to
> such extent to maintain a ruse. While its possible they are misrepresenting
> themselves (as @Thames Pirate indicated, and which I concur with, in that
> this isnt likely new for them and they know what the requirements are), why
> in response and cooperation continue such a fabrication? They dont have to
> save face or preserve a relationship when theres nothing offensive or
> insulting in using a generic "were pursuing other candidates".
> Further, if they really were interested in you as an IT in general, keeping
> you in mind and your application on file is not well served by engaging in
> such a subterfuge.
>
> The reality is that Germany is rather rigid on what subject matter, degrees
> must be inscribed. Subject adjacent degrees are rarely acceptable. Whereas
> credentials fulfill a general pro.edu requirement, specific subject matter
> credentials do not substitute for lack of a specific subject matter degree
> qualification.

This whole post flies in the face of everything you just said (and I said first) re: separate processes, school types, etc.

PsyGuy wrote:
> Germany has a rather rigid position on subject adjacent degrees, and
> foreign credentials arent as valuable. Degrees must align specifically with
> the subject appointed to, whereas credentials can be more general and
> generic (the requirement being that they are age appropriate for the
> appointment, but even then are more flexible than what is required for
> degrees). Thus credentials are less valuable.
>

Sort of true for an Ersatzschule. Not at all applicable for an Ergänzungsschule.

> ITs without a right of residency must meet various requirements to obtain a
> visa. This is a separate process from the mutual recognition process of
> pro.edu credentials.

As I have said all along.

The requirements are more involved than requiring only
> a mere contract.

Not really if you are American.

This process is designated to the Federal Foreign Office,
> but delegates these functions to the OS embassies and consulates.


For Americans, the process Incan be done from abroad or upon arrival. No embassies or consulates required.


> Institutions do not set immigration policy, but are subordinate to the
> Foreign Ministry rules and regulations which are more substantial than the
> singular requirement of a contract.


Nobody said institutions set the policy. But no Anerkennung of specific degree is required.
>
> German ISs (Private/Independent) are exempt from much MOE regulation and
> generally may determine what ITs are acceptable to appointment of faculty


As I have said all along.

> as long as these requirements meet the minimum immigration requirements for
> the appropriate visa.

US passport is sufficient (barring background check or other weird circumstances), as I have said all along.

DSs (Public/Maintained)must comply with all rules and
> regulations for the appointment of faculty.

Obviously.


Trust ISs are hybrid of the two
> whereas the IS receives portion of public funding but is required to comply
> with various portions of MOE regulation.

Nope. No such thing as Trust ISs. But if you mean Ersatzschulen, they are not a hybrid, but their own category. As I have said all along.

In regards to professional
> development for faculty appointments there isnt significant differences
> between a Trust IS and a DS.

PD? No. Anerkennung is required.


iB DP schools offer the IB DP. Candidate schools don’t. If a school offers a course identical to the IB DP, there is no way to prevent that. My point was that even then they cannot claim to offer the IB DP. So no, candidate schools don’t offer the DP.

PsyGuy wrote:
> @Thames Pirate
>
> Thames Pirate: You only need a contract.
> Germany, the EUR, this particular IS, the LW, the LWs evidence, everyone
> else: No you dont you need to qualify for a visa which is more than
> "only a contract.
>
> Applicants are denied for far more than your listed reasons, they are
> denied (ineligible in this case) for not having a degree in the teaching
> subject.
>
> EU=European Union
> EUR=Europe (as in the land mass encompassing the European continent)
> € or EUR€=Euro Currency
> Yes, I do know what Im talking about.

Again, an Ergänzungsschule is essentially like any private business; they can hire anyone they want. For an American to get a visa, the company needs to say they qualify for the job. That is sufficient. For an Ersatzschule it would still be sufficient for any job that isn’t regulated (TAs, cleaners, various admin). They can even, if they do choose, give you a teaching contract and no lessons. The point is that the visa requirements are in no way tied to your teaching qualifications. I mean, how do you think private companies hire someone for business if they don’t have a teaching degree? Visas are issued if you are an American and have a job (again, barring extenuating circumstances). There are nuances (health insurance, for example, but a job is required to offer it), all basically covered if you have a job.

Visas are federal.

Now, for the actual teaching, the Ersatzschule has to comply with the Bundesland, so the teacher of record has to meet those standards. Not true in an Ergänzungsschule. Those documents, if required (again, in an Ersatzschule) are submitted to the Bundesland, not the federal offices.

So when you said „the EUR“ you meant „the Europe“? Okay . . . .

>
> No, each region is separate, but for this particular issue they arent
> different.
>

Again, check the portal if you don’t believe me. Oh, wait. You don’t speak German.

> Gaslighting is wonderful for you.
>
> Every country has there own language terms for various terms, Germany isnt
> special.
> Trust IS is certainly a thing and a thing in Germany.

PG: Of course each country has its terms in its own language.
Also PG: Here is this English language term that appears precisely nowhere in any German documents that is absolutely used in Germany.

>
> The claims @Thames Pirate about not using or hearing particular terminology
> says more about you than it does Germany.
>

Right, I am the one making up terms. (Before you say that you’re good I agree, I will point out that this is sarcasm). This from the guy who didn’t know the difference between singular and plural and still doesn’t know what the KMK is.

> Youd certainly know next level gaslighting.
>
> There is no theoretical anything. An IS could make an exception for a
> non-host speaking IT for something such as English immersion.
>
> No, youre in TPF wonderland, if thats a world of perpetual twilight, well I
> dont have to live there.
>


We can play the two year old „what if“ and „well, they could“ for extreme hypotheticals. There is probably always the extreme case that is the exception to the rule. But in general, that’s nonsense.

> Yes, applicants must meet the requirements. An IS with flexibility in their
> requirements still requires an applicant to comply within the range of the
> requirements. This is @Thames Pirate not understanding how words work
> again.
>

If I want to hire someone qualified in underwater basket weaving to teach Japanese, I can make that a requirement. I can also decide that no, Tom here seems cool and is only qualified to teach Spanish, but I want to hire him for Japanese. That’s all up to me in my business—and in the context of hiring, Ergänzungsschulen function as businesses. Nobody in any government office cares.

> The policy for Americans and foreigners is to meet the requirements of the
> Federal Foreign Office which for an IT requires more than "only a
> contract".

Again, two offices. One for the visa, one to approve teachers. The latter only applies to Ersatzschulen.

> No, they could not hire a HS graduate.
> No, the IS/DS does not dictae the standard for immigration and visa
> issuance. This is just more TPF non-sense


Still not claiming that, but I do know that nonsense is snowed without a hyphen.

>
> No, Germany is pretty rigid in terms of its requirements.
>
> No, a Candidate IB IS could offer DIP. So its possible there could be a
> Candidate IB IS offering DIP and not be on the list.
>

A candidate school can offer DP structured classes, but they don’t lead to a diploma.


> Yes, including Americans.
>

Have you ever looked at any of the requirements on official sites? Read through the requirements?

> I wrote in my OP "Germany is rather rigid on degrees and credentials
> dont have a lot of value."
> Not a lot of value is no value. See above.
>
> Yes, your gaslighting is certainly at an advance level.
>
> No, The visa requirements are more than "a contract" insurance,
> and minimum remuneration.

Not for Americans. I mean, documents galore and all, but nothing you don’t already have.


>
> Im not in any way convinced you know what irony is, nor does this meet the
> criteria of irony (there isnt a numerous or amusing effect). What your
> looking for is sarcasm, isnt that ironic, dont you think.
>
> Yes, the IS would very likely (I cant imagine them not) walking the
> application through the process.
>

ISs might walk through the visa process by getting the appointments and helping with translations and documents.

The Anerkennung is a totally different process. It‘s ironic that you got it right about the wrong one.

> No, they get you a visa by meeting the requirements which include among
> others having an appropriate degree, an acceptable credential (which may be
> entirely the degree), a contract, etc.
>

The Amt doesn’t require any of that.


> No, this hasnt been established, youre claims are not self authenticating.
> Your confusing established with assumption. This is @Thames Pirate not
> knowing how words work.
>

Repeating ad hominem attacks doesn’t make evidence and independent sourcing disappear.

> No, you need more than just a contract. The contract alone is not
> sufficient. This is TPF non-sense.
>
> The IS could be lying. They are being very responsive and cooperative to
> maintain a fabrication.
> Either the LW needs more than a contract, there are other complicating
> factors that are still more than a contract (such as not having an
> appropriate subject matter degree), or the IS is misrepresenting the reason
> (which I dont buy, why use a fabrication that could, if it was true, be
> wholly disproved).
>

Has the OP tried to get a visa in Germany in some other field? Have you? You don’t need a teaching credential to get a visa.


> Yes, necessarily. Ive known of ITs (many actually) at ISs in Germany and
> elsewhere that teach and taught without a credential. I know of only a few
> rare cases where an IT (including in Germany) was teaching without a
> degree, but in those cases the IT had extensive professional experience in
> the field.
>

Yep—at an Ergänzungsschule this is not a problem.

> Again, regardless of IS or DS if you dont have a right of residency you
> must meet the visa requirements established by the applicable
> ministry/office/department and in Germany this is the Federal Foreign
> office, which delegates these duties to its OS consulates and embassies,
> and again these requirements are more than having a contract and are not
> dictated by an individual organization.
>

You are incredibly thick if you don’t understand that a visa doesn’t require a teaching degree.



> Yes, I agree, its not complex. Germany is relatively rigid in what degrees
> it will accept and the requirements for a visa are more than just a
> contract. Its very simple, but again, you dont know what complex or simple
> mean.
>

Please list (with source) the requirements for an American to get a work permit in Germany.

> Weve had an abundance of evidence, provided by the LW themselves that do
> not support @Thames Pirate, but again you dont know what evidence is,
> because the use of German terminology is not evidence.
>

The OP only shared what the school told them. That isn’t evidence of how visas work.

> I dont think enough about you to generate a feeling or "a thing".
>
> Only data matters.

Data says you enjoy attacking me. As I find letting you show your nature and your ignorance amusing, it isn’t a problem.