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AASSA
Atlanta, Georgia USA
December 3-6, 2009
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Illinois,
USA
Conference director
Paul Poore did a good job of welcoming us to the event. However,
he did state that if you ever broke a contract mid-year or were black-balled
for any reason at any previous international school, he would get
the word around to all recruiters and you would not be hired. I knew
several people who were applying to international schools who left
mid year due to unbearable circumstance (60 days without pay, no
teaching materials, broken promises and abusive situations through
no fault of their own) who had paid the hefty conference registration
fee, transportation and lodging to get to the conference but would
probably not be hired due to the black balling attitude of this conference's
organizers. This is clearly a conference to avoid if you have left
a previous international posting on a negative note.
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Kansas
City, USA
An
excellent experience - the signup session was in too small a space,
but the
organization and follow up were outstanding. Schools interviewed
well, and most of the people I spoke with had offers and jobs.
This is
a good place for people interested in South America |
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Bogota,
Colombia
Excellent.
Well organized. Great ratio of candidates to schools. On-line databank.
Hotel facility was great and AASSA was able to secure amazing rates.
A+ |
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Missouri,
USA
I
signed up late for this conference and missed the special hotel
rate, but I'm
glad of this. While the Grand Hyatt rooms were nice, I found some
real frustration on the parts of recruiters since some (many? most?)
could not adequately use their room's internet. My very nice room,
only a short taxi ride away, was under $70/night and had exceptional,
reliable internet service and included a lovely breakfast, + many
other amenities. I arrived early and stayed late, so couldn't have
stayed at either of the hotel options suggested by AASSA at the
special price anyway.
The last time I used AASSA for a job was in Winterhaven, Florida
(1993) and it was so tiny a recruiting fair that I blew it off
after the first hour and went sightseeing instead. This year I
was pleased
to see a full, worthy fair with many recruiters.
Some things I liked:
-All ethniticities and ages of candidates were represented. I
was encouraged by this!
-Informative orientation on both Thursday evening and Friday
morning (but a little too much about how cool Paul Poore thinks
he is, and his many renditions of how "life is a crap shoot").
Some things that I definitely did NOT like:
-The tiny size of the room used on Thursday, 9:30 to line up
and sign up for interviews was panic-inducing and FAR too small
for the large number of schools and candidates. People could
barely pass each other in the search for 'their' school's line,
and lines for one school covered access to the next school
crammed in alphabetically next to each other--totally inadequate
and frustrating for ALL.
-Even after the event was touted as a 'paperless' fair, many
recruiters could not communicate except via Esther's ("I'M
in control here" she said) file box communication system
-- This was silly and useless, and required both groups (candidates & recruiters)
to constantly return to the tiny Atlanta Rm. to check their files.
Ridiculous! Who had time for this?
-Since recruiters did not have reliable internet in their rooms,
some had to conduct Skype video interviews in the room provided
for 'emergency' internet access. Although I was glad to see one
recruiter took the time to make the connection happen, it was
an open venue full of candidates and recruiters, and seemed,
to me, to lower the professionalism of the whole affair. At the
very least, a better venue which has reliable internet for ALL
parties involved should be found for future conferences.
-The AASSA website does not appear to be for the benefit of candidates
at all. I understand that it is, in fact, a website which serves
the schools which pay for and use AASSA services; but at the
very least, a 'log on' link for candidates should be front and
foremost during the recruiting season for candidates to do their
best to find schools and jobs in which they are interested.
-When schools had to cancel, such as Uruguay, it should be communicated
ASAP, not by word of mouth in the halls in the midst of the interviewing
period.
-Notes of every form were provided for recruiters (2nd interview
request, not interested, etc.). If this service is provided for
recruiters, I think that notes for candidates should also be
provided (thank you, not interested, have to cancel appointment,
I've already accepted another job, etc.).
-Not one school recruiter with whom I had communicated prior
to the fair, nor any of them with whom I had an interview, could
be bothered to pick up a telephone (since the internet was not
reliable) and call me to say they were or were not interested,
or delay the interview, or anything. Even after I notified each
recruiter of my hotel and cell phone numbers, none could call
or write a short email. I just found this surprising in this
supposedly "paperless" conference.
-Too many positions still listed as "Tentative". It
seemed, at times, like recruiters were just fishing for possibilities
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Honduras
The
fair was okay. It seemed like another fair I had attended. The
sign-up for
interviews location was too small. Therefore, we were crowded,
barely enough room to walk. Some schools didn't update their profiles
on
the online system. Therefore, once there, you see that some positions
have changed; some bigger changes than others. This is very disappointing
if you are in an area that doesn't have many openings. Also, schools
did say online whether they preferred singles or teaching couples,
but once there some had signs that said "prefer teaching couples".
I wish they had put this on their profile so that I would not have
wasted my time. Furthermore, I didn't have time to sign up for
all the schools I desired. By the time I was done with about four
lines,
some schools had already left and begun preparing for interviews.
How awful! Also, I feel that people of color had a disadvantage,
especially black candidates. I feel some schools wanted an "American" face
to appeal to parents/local school community. Some schools also
have issues with hiring older candidates. This is completely unfair.
I think schools were hiring and not just shopping, but some
schools are not going to simply settle. That's a good thing.
What I don't like, however, is that some schools are willing
to pass over a great or excellent single teacher simply because
it's more economical to have a teaching couple. Yes, I know they
are more economical and have a built-in emotional support, but
an excellent single candidate who has lived overseas before,
with a good work history and references, should have an equal
opportunity as the couple. With some couples, one is fantastic
while the other is mediocre. However, at times, the teaching
couple will still win over the great single teacher. What a disappointment.
On another note, the event sponsor was fantastic! Paul Poore
is professional, energetic, helpful, what more could you want?
He made the fair worth while!
Would I recommend this fair to others? It depends: single, couple,
position, experience? For example, teaching couples where one
is IB Physics with an elementary teaching spouse could pretty
much write their own fate. However, single elementary teachers,
teaching couples in rare/not so common positions, get ready!
An emotional rollercoaster awaits you!
I
did land a job, but it wasn't easy. I really had to sell myself.
My references, resume, work experience, etc. was not enough.
I was too common and "elementary positions are the easiest
to fill" as I had one recruiter tell me. "You are a
very strong candidate, but I prefer a teaching couple" is
what I heard more than once.
I hope recruiters and fair sponsors read this. Change definitely
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Washington D.C
Since your site promotes anonymous
opinions, I would like to go out on a limb and--as the
organizer of the AASSA Recruiting Fair--respond personally to some
of the comments
made. We asked every candidate and recruiter to evaluate our fair
and overall the results were wholly positive. It was unfortunate
that our 5-star hotel's internet system had problems, but we did
everything we could to make this work for both candidates and recruiters
including setting up a room with 50 internet access points and 6
printers.
I agree the sign-up ballroom space was too small, and that will
be rectified for next year's fair which we are hoping to hold in
the same hotel. There were also schools with too few recruiters
for the large number of openings they had posted.
Some candidates, to be honest, did no
research in advance of the fair and did not really have a strategy
of how to approach a hiring
fair: thus my advice to use this fair and any other fair as a learning
experience. And I do think that life is a crap shoot! Sometimes
things work the way one thinks they should, and other times they
just don't."
At AASSA we have taken candidates' and recruiters' evaluations
very seriously and improved each year's fair...as we will do with
the comments that are posted on this site. Our aim is two fold:
to support our member schools but also to act on behalf of the
candidates. We put a lot of time and energy into trying to meet
the needs of everyone, and my staff and I spent long hours advising
candidates the best we possibly could. I appreciated seeing that
captured in your review.
The reality is that a job fair brings out the very best and the
very worst in people. Egos are delicate and we are all easily hurt
by rejection--just as we are elated by our successes. It is our
goal to help candidates through this process as honestly and as
fairly as possible.
I thank all of you who attended.
Paul Poore
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Georgia,
USA
I was impressed
with how well thought out the AASSA fair was--starting with the
website, which was extremely helpful. It listed things that most
other recruiting
fair sites do not list. Very helpful was the line about whether
or not there were age limitations. This is extremely helpful for
the
rather sizeable number of highly experienced teachers who decide
to teach overseas after a long career in the US--especially the
first-timers, who haven't learned this information yet via 'the
grapevine'. This
is the first time I have seen this information on a job fair website.
Obviously, the room needed was shockingly size-challenged. Since
it was not in the room that was designated in the schedule, perhaps
he got bumped down by another event. I have been to many a job
fair, and his pre-fair talk was perhaps the best I've seen. It's
clear
he knows his stuff, and is not on a power trip. (Some overseas
teaching veterans know of whom I speak!) Because it is a relatively
small fair, there were meager offerings in some specialties. I
overheard
a disgruntled
specialist complain about the fact that there wasn't a single offering in his
specialty. His point was well-taken: AASSA could have and should have notified
him of this in advance of the fair. In the past, I have been so notified, since
my field is sometimes also small. I think Mr. Poore did an excellent job in
his planning and supporting both the recruiter and the job-seeker.
I'm guessing that
the internet problems are, unfortunately, the result of the common problem
of hotels saying they can deliver when, in fact, they can't. I
would suggest that
Mr. Poore find good reason to believe that next year will be different before
he hands what is a fairly lucrative contract over to the same hotel again.
There are many hotels in Atlanta which could handle such a conference,
possibly with
more satisfaction, though the negotiated price for all was reasonable and much
appreciated!
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Oregon, USA
Well, first of all
I would like to say that, unfortunately, I find most of the comments
on here to be contiguous with most postings on any site that international
teachers use. While the fair had areas that needed improvement (size
of room, recruiters being more attentive to the changes in vacancies),
the people on here need to stop blaming everything on the recruiters.
First of all, don't complain about not being able to contact schools.
I didn't have a laptop and I found it easy to get in touch with all
the schools I was trying to contact via boxes, the courtesy phone,
or during their presentations.
Secondly, I am a single
elementary teacher with little experience and I still got three
offers at the fair. So all the complaints
about people getting "overlooked" because schools wanted
teaching couples.... maybe you should look inward instead of projecting
the pain from a hurt ego onto the recruiters and fair directors.
The whole 'crap shoot' analogy is true and if you really had all
that experience, you should know that one needs to keep their mind
open when attending these things. My first-fourth choices basically
all told me to beat it in the interview sign-up, but I still managed
to get two full days of interviews and worked HARD to utilize these
opportunities.
Candidates need to RESEARCH, RESEARCH, RESEARCH
before the fair. This will go a long way to alleviate the frustrations
of feeling bombarded when schools don't have the vacancies you
thought, or don't want to hire the candidate that you imagine yourself
to be. Be a 'pest', contact the HRs at the schools, the directors;
send your letter of interest and CV. I had many directors already
know who I was when I approached their table from my photo
resume I had sent them via e-mail prior to the fair. We joked about
how I had been "persistent" before-hand, and many times
it saved me time in the sign-up. Schools already had seen my CV
before the fair and knew that I wouldn't be a fit. On the other
hand I had two interviews set up before I even got the fair, so
doing about a month of work and communication BEFORE the fair will
go a LONG way.
So I don't mean to just
rag on the other candidates, but there were so many people I
met at the fair and whose reviews I am now
probably reading, that lead me to believe that some of you need
to step your game up research and ambition-wise. As cliche as it
is to say, life isn't perfect and these fair experiences are all
about what you make them. Although I had offers, I left "empty-handed" but
still view this as a valuable experience. Do your homework, stay
hungry and be flexible; ready to adapt when life, or fairs, throw
you a curve. You could end up at a great school that wasn't on
your radar. At the very least, if you have this approach you won't
be all jaded afterward blaming schools, Paul and Esther for everything.
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Honduras
I
would like to address the above post. I wrote the post about
schools preferring
teaching couples. I am a single elementary,too. Listen, I have
been teaching nine years, have a Masters, and impeccable references.
I
am currently teaching overseas.
To be honest, I was very picky at the fair. I am curious to see
what schools you interviewed with at the fair. Truthfully, many
schools offered me jobs, but I'm not going to work for peanuts
or for a school with a lame package. Also, I don't want to work
at a school full of new teachers who have one or two years of experience.
I'm at a point in my career where I'm being picky. So yes, I went
to the schools with great packages, for my standards.
I RESEARCHED, RESEARCHED,
and RESEARCHED MONTHS BEFORE THE FAIR. Some of the schools I
desired did not post until a few weeks before.
I refused to accept a job with no worldwide health insurance. Now
that I live overseas, I see how important that is. I'm also not
going to accept a job where I can't save AT LEAST 30% or 40% of
my salary. Not only were the schools interviewing me, I was interviewing
them as well. There were schools in Colombia, Jamaica, Venezuela,
and Brazil that contacted me before the fair. I know I could have
had a job with them. But, hello!, their packages were not up to
my standards. Some even had the nerve to not offer medical insurance
at all. I didn't even bother interviewing with them. I had two
interviews before the fair. But so did many others. The "better" schools
don't really need to interview before the fair. They know they'll
have no problem getting candidates. Some schools, however, have
to work a little harder. I only accept what I think I'm worth.
I landed my dream job because I didn't settle. I have worldwide
insurance, a fantastic salary, the reviews on this site about the
school were great (I read all this BEFORE the fair), the school
has a great reputation, and it was on my list of eight schools.
I went to the fair with eight (8) schools that I knew in which
I would like to teach. I have very high standards, so I expected
the same with the schools.
If I were a newer elementary teacher (1 or 2 years experience),
with little or no overseas experience, I too would lower my standards
and expectations. Sometimes at that level, you get what you can
take. But then again, you can get lucky.
Remember, one person's experience may be different from another.
For me, it was an emotional rollercoaster. But, I landed a job
and at a great school!!!!!!!!
By the way, schools DO discriminate in many ways (race, age, sexual
orientation). Believe it or not. Sometimes, however, people from
one world can't empathize with those from another. But don't say
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| California,
USA
I will try to give
an objective commentary on the fair in as few words as possible.
First, as an aside, its interesting to read the reviews of this fair
precisely because this was my first fair and I'm a new teacher to
the international scene. I've always wondered if the reviews (often
negative) I read of schools are accurate or not and never had a reference
point until now to compare other opinions with my experience.
To start, the few negatives of the fair:
It felt like a "recruiters
fair" in terms of candidates to applicants. This could very
well be a function of the economy though. In any case it will be
interesting to see the % of hires from this fair in comparison
to previous years.
Also, as mentioned, there was not enough room during the sign
in session. It was a chaotic experience and perhaps more so for
us new teachers. However, from what I understand, this was a hotel
malfunction and not the fault of the fair who had originally contracted
two ballrooms.
Now to the positive-- and MOST of the fair was very positive:
It was very well organized, both online and on site. The organizers
really worked hard to make it a smooth experience. I didn't really
have a problem with the mailbox. It was convenient and allowed
me to not have to carry around a laptop constantly to communicate.
About the director, Paul. My impressions of him were not anything
like an above post. I found him a very helpful, interested director.
He didn't seem arrogant to me in the least, but he was enthusiastic
and maybe this rubs off on some differently than others. Personally,
I thought he, Esther, and Alex (?) did a great job and were helpful.
Overall, the experience was a roller coaster but very informative.
And it is a crap shoot. You are going to spend 1,000$ or so going
to a fair like this and are bound to see it negatively if you walk
away without a job. Its human nature. I felt that the economy and
size of the ballroom were the only thing really conspiring against
teachers, as well as my lack of experience. But 2/3 of those can't
be attributed to the fair. So in conclusion, the fair was well
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Arizona,
USA
Orientation
with Paul Poore was good. He was very competent and caring to
both candidates
and recruiters. Hotel was great except the lack of internet service,
which they didn't charge me for (was supposed to be $10 a day).
I liked being able to stay at the same hotel, made it easy to relax
between interviews, make phone calls to friends and family, freshen-up
etc. It was also windy and cold that weekend so I was not getting
disheveled walking between hotels. My only disappointment was the
lack of time to schedule interviews. I was not able to make contact
with some of the schools I was interested in because they had very
long lines and the ballroom was very crowded. Paul suggested
I write notes
for those recruiters whom I was unable to contact, and not a single
one got back to me. I'm a highly qualified teacher but how are
they to know this unless they meet me and talk with me. A resume
can only
go so far! The fair was very competitive, and though many people
did get hired at the fair, many did not. It was obvious walking
around the lobby who got jobs and who didn't. The atmosphere was
quite charged and awkward at the same time. I enjoyed most being
able to network with other teachers, many of whom were already
working at schools overseas!
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Florida,
USA
Prior to the AASSA fair, I think I read every bit of information there was to
be found online or in print about international teaching, the AASSA member schools,
and the teacher recruitment process. That's to say that I showed up with realistic
expectations, and I ended up being pleasantly surprised. For one, the AASSA staff
were very approachable and seemed to truly be there to help the candidates as
well as the recruiters. When I went to the registration table, Esther came out
to help me and immediately put me at ease. There was a woman in line next to
me, though, who was a little aggressive about getting her stuff from her folder
and seemed put off that Esther asked her to wait (I have a strong suspicion that
this same woman was the one who wrote a negative comment about Esther, above).
In
general, though, most of the other candidates that I met--even those who were
not having
any luck finding a position--were friendly, collegial, encouraging, and eager
to network and share information. The AASSA orientation meeting was very welcoming
and it did put me at ease, especially because I did not really hear any information
that I had not read or heard about before. I was kind of surprised to hear how
uninformed some candidates' questions seemed to sound, but then, in talking to
other candidates, I met some people who were not 100% certain that they really
wanted to teach overseas, or who were coming as a long-shot because of circumstances
working against them (only 1 or 2 positions in their field, non-teaching spouse,
possible age discrimination, etc.). The sign-up session was stressful and too
crowded, but enough has been said about that. What helped me is that I had a
strategy--I came early and was one of the first in the door. I also had made
contact with school directors beforehand and had a prioritized list in my head
of which schools I wanted to score interviews with. I did manage to set up 5
interviews, and had 2 positions offered to me by the end of the day Friday, one
of which I accepted. I had not expected to be quite so successful! I suppose
what helped is that I teach a popular subject and that I was willing to accept
a pay package at the lower end of the spectrum, because even so I know I will
be able to save money. My main concern was getting my foot in the door of international
k-12 teaching and finding the best fit, which I believe I did. Other comments
about the fair-- I did not stay in the hotel as I had family nearby, but I appreciated
that it was near the MARTA station so that I didn't have to take taxis back and
forth. Also, the hotel was lovely and had plenty of comfortable places to have
while away the time between interviews, and the wireless internet worked in most
of them. Anyway, if I have to attend another job fair in the future, I will definitely
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