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do you think is fair from both the admin's point of view,
and Lavinia's? |
I think the new admin is in a bad situation, but to assume that
Lavinia has misunderstood what was being offered to her is a bit
over the top. I don't think that Lavinia could have a good year
at the school after so much trouble before she even arrives back
in Kuwait. It will set a negative tone for her year, either way.
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I think
the compromise suggested by Dr. Barbara is fair and reasonable.
The school is in the wrong
by suggesting she accept their way or the highway. They just have
the power, and in my books, might does not mean right. There is
no way the school is looking for a win-win situation and it sounds
like the present administration is quite immature. Lavinia should
look for greener pastures. |
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I
think Dr Spilchuk's advice to Debbie is correct: they honor the
contract to Lavinia
for a specific period of time, but make it clear to the other teachers
that this is because Lavinia was promised these conditions by the
outgoing administration and these cannot be reneged on. Furthermore,
all contracts from now on will be consistent with the rules. Also
make it clear to the teachers that for as long as THEIR contracts
run, the administration will honor them. Debbie has to reassure
other teachers, while at the same time being fair to Lavinia. |
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This is
not unusual in Kuwait. Contracts recently have been altered without
any renegotiations at
another school in Kuwait. Threats abound if you "challenge" the "integrity" of
the school or administrator either verbally or in writing. This
was also in this correspondence at some point in the letters and
it certainly
matched what is happening at mine. My advice...unless you cannot
afford to go elsewhere AND you can accept most things AND not talk
to anyone about it, stay out of Kuwait. My last year in Kuwait
for sure! |
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Honoring
the result of the original negotiations is the only fair and equitable
outcome.
Single housing should be provided. I am currently teaching in Indonesia
and had negotiated single housing. I was sure to have that added
to my contract and so far it has not been an issue. I believe the
lesson here is to get it in writing or you have nothing to stand
on later. |
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After living
in Q8 and working at a for-profit American school the past five
years, Lavinia will be lucky indeed to have any belongings to collect!
The school will have a few maids or maintenance men come in and
they will probably pick through her things .I say, stay away and
kiss your things good-bye. There are too many decent schools & countries
to teach at and live in to even want to risk being at this new admin's mercy.
I'm curious...is this Debbie Dixon the same American woman who
converted
to Islam and totally covered her self in black only
revealing her striking blue eyes from
behind the veil & nahkob? Who just a couple of years ago was teaching first
or second grade on the boys' campus at ACA? |
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I
believe Dr. Spilchuck's suggestion for the school to pay 50% of
the costs
of a single accommodation
are reasonable. I also agree that schools should reconsider shared
accommodations since many people don't want that punishment. Giving
the staff an option for shared or single housing is a reasonable
alternative. the shared accommodations are to save the school money,
period!
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Ms. Dixon said, "FBS
is not unique in offering shared housing--this is quite a common
practice
here in Kuwait." That is not true most of the international
schools in Kuwait offer single housing, those that are worth working
for. Some schools don't but they are schools to beware of. I lived
and worked in Kuwait for over 10 years, I have seen private education
evolve. I would steer clear of FBS. When in Kuwait, a contract
is just a piece of paper, it really has no worth. That is why you
need to be careful of the school that you work for. |
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Fair? You are talking about Kuwait,
right? I've stayed silent through this whole summer of Kuwait stories.
But, now feel I might offer an opinion. I taught in Kuwait. I am
a single, American woman. I have over 15 years teaching experience
- including a master's degree in education.
I am certified in two US states.
My advice...stay away. I do not know of one single western woman
working in Kuwait who is not depressed. I do believe that unless
we stand up and say - "enough" - Kuwait will set the
precedent for the rest of the GCC. In Kuwait, I have observed very
few certified teachers. Of the teachers/administrators that are
western certified; very few have ever worked in their home countries.
The country of Kuwait is very happy with these "semi-professionals" -
they don't question, they are happy for a job. A true professional
would leave the country at the earliest opportunity. This is doubly
true for the directors who are well past their "shelf life" and
are hanging on by their finger nails - well past the time they
should've retired. Many of them are an embarrassment to education
and their home countries.
As professional teachers, we MUST say "no" to the practices
of Kuwait. They can certainly run their educational system as they
choose; but let's not validate it. Kuwait needs western teachers
for accreditation - let's assure the integrity of the system. When
we work in Kuwait; let's hold them accountable to assure their
accreditation is valid. I say Lavinia was very wise not to return;
she obviously has other options.
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Lavinia
should stay far away from Kuwait. Teachers are easy to find (they
should look for those
who don't know yet about your wonderful organization) and a younger
one might enjoy a roommate. Administration has chosen defense of
the owner (Surprise!) and has taken that step beyond the ethical
practices so hard fought for and won by unions. Teaching in Kuwait
sounds like coal mining in the twenties. It is a bad situation
for teachers and hence for children. Lavinia,
and you, Debbie, should know that you deserve the treatment you
provide
for your staff, and no better. Lavinia had witnesses to the agreement
and you called them inept and her a liar, sounding righteous in
defense of your position. Bad form, but why should we expect otherwise?
After all, it is Kuwait. |
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I think
the teacher is blind to the norms of international education. It
is a well-known fact
that housing in Kuwait is shared. Even unmarried partners are required
to share housing with a member or members of the same sex. Another
example of teachers entering lightly into contracts without having
researched the country in enough depth beforehand. |
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Lavinia,
being new to Kuwait, was probably unaware that the housing situation
traditionally involved
shared apartments, with a surcharge for private apartments. She
should also have been aware of when she was supposed to return
to begin preparing for the new school year. However, if she was
given a verbal agreement to have a private apartment, it would
not be surprising that the surcharge may not have been mentioned. "ALWAYS
GET ANY AGREEMENTS IN WRITING, clearly and in detail, especially
in Kuwait!" If the owner or administrator refuses to sign
a written agreement, then this action should be a good indicator
of their lack of personal integrity or professional ethics, and
a "red flag" to start looking elsewhere for another teaching
position.
My first overseas job was in Kuwait, and I made the decision to pay
the surcharge to have a private apartment. The lesson I left with
was that the owners of private schools in Kuwait treat the teachers
the way many expats hired by Kuwaiti companies are treated, as second-class
citizens or common workers. It is also the only country in which
I have taught, or ever will teach, that requires teachers to either
share accommodations or pay a surcharge for a private apartment.
There are plenty of excellent international schools in many
countries around the world, with experienced and honorable
administrators who treat their faculty and staff fairly and
honorably. The recent events in Kuwait should be raising red
flags to every international educator. The lessons Lavinia
has learned from her experience in Kuwait should serve her
well in her next international school.
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I understand
the admin is put under a lot of stress/pressure and offered a lot
of money to
stay faithful to a school. Lavinia is not in a situation I am unfamiliar
with as I use to work at Fawzia Sultan International School.
I
was promised one thing by one admin and told "too bad" by
another. Favoritism played a factor from the new (never been a
principal or had any mentoring at all) principal, and this made
the year very difficult for us all. However,
they pay so well that you can see why people stay. The money was
really good. Integrity and money....right and wrong...is it right
that a high school principal gets her paper work in a summer (is
qualified), has a great heart for kids and no experience doing
a job? No. It is the school in the log run that suffers when a
principal cannot help or doesn't know how to help the teaches.
Or doesn't support the teachers when a director is in the wrong
(whole other story). But money seems to be the common factor.
When
Tania Woodburn was offered the director's position she jumped at
it. It is a lot more prestige and I am sure at least
a bit more money. She had never been a principal, did that for two
years and is now the director. She is, like Debbie, a good person,
excellent teacher and perhaps mediocre principal (or great one)
but it seems that in the long run they have to follow their pay check.
Integrity loses.
I personally got into the profession of teaching
with the idea that integrity came first. I am sure Debbie and Tania
did too, but somewhere along the line...perhaps dotted and full of
zeros these great teachers start to convince themselves that what
is happening is ok, maybe even "right". It is a hard place
to find oneself as a teacher watching it happen. The two sides of
the story seem to me to be legitimate. However, it comes down to
she said, he said. I feel Lavinia's pain more because that is exactly
what happen to me in Kuwait.
I often wonder if it happens everywhere in this international money
making school business environment...YET, I continue to teach internationally
in hope that the relationships and ties I make with the locals outweigh
the stress and havoc of the unknown.
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I don't
think it was fair but I also think that Lavinia should have gotten
the housing situation in writing since it was changing the initial
contract |
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I can see both
sides of the coin. Perhaps I would have negotiated a temporary
increase in Lavinia's pay for a short term to compensate
her for having to share. She gets a bit more dosh, the school
gets the shared housing benefit and everybody is happy. It would
have
been
good to have the school present a range of alternatives they could
live with and then have Lavinia choose one. That would show reasonableness
on behalf of the school and if Lavinia choose not to select an
option it would be her who would be being unreasonable. Understand
that a verbal agreement without written contract language in the
Middle East is meaningless. |
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Anyone who works overseas
has to be flexible. If she wants to live alone, pay the difference,
and GET IT IN Writing! |
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Return to Kuwait?
WHY? No other options? |
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..... A little time is needed
for a person who is not present in the country and who feels 'threatened'
by the new and
unknown administration's new ruling. Rahal's letter, in my view,
was a termination of Lavinia's contract. I couldn't answer the
first question for myself, but Lavinia's right to stand her ground
has led to this impasse. With the knowledge of Katherine Phillips'
experience Lavinia may be making the right choice. One bad experience
in a country can be heard by many!
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As I live and work in kuwait
I understand that in the end the owner has the final say. if the
owner wanted to stand up for his agreement he would. the new administration
can only do so much. |
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I think it
is incumbent upon the administration to 'err' on the side of the
employee. A witnessed
verbal agreement (never a good substitute for a written and signed
contract) should be as good as gold in international school circles.
Unfortunately, Lavinia's naivete shows through in this incident
and has hurt her students, her colleagues, and the reputation of
the
school.
On the other side, the administration's lack of transparency belies the fact
that many 'for profit' schools around the world have a potent conflict of interest
as a foundational tenet of their existence. I'd NEVER go to a for-profit school
for that very reason. Not-for-profit schools may still make mistakes and bad
decisions, but it's not because any element of the school administration will
profit from such decisions. Hard lesson to learn, but if you are in international
education for any length of time it's a theme you will hear over and over again. |
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Anything short of
swift and permanent closure of this reprehensible institution should
be considered a failure
for the international teaching profession. ALL international schools
that buckle to local pressure and corruption should be avoided. |
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The admin
has not been fair. Any policy changes come into effect only after
all current agreements/understandings have been upheld. |
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one half year
without additional fee for apartment, one half year to be paid
by teacher |
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This is obviously not a
school and administration to be trusted. "Fair" seems
to have little to do with it. "Wise" would
be to avoid this school and its administrators completely!! |
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....
True, she should have received it all in writing, but a handshake
and verbal agreement with witnesses should have been enough. Teachers
deserve respect, better than what Lavinia is receiving. She should
get her things shipped back to her in S. Africa and leave it at
that. There are plenty of better schools out there. The new admin
let their own kids down, not this teacher. |
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All
this makes me want to return to teaching at home with a strong
union. Fair is both going their separate ways.
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The
administration is trying to get away with hiring teachers "on
the cheap" and using the change in administration as an excuse
to avoid what was promised in front of a witness.
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It
appears that Ms Dixon has endeavored to improve the situation
as much as she was able to within the guidelines of the school.
Lavinia has been placed in a difficult situation and one in which
other teachers hope never to be in.
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Agree
to end their commitment, ship the property to the owner and move
on.
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Fairness
hardly enters into the equation in the case of far too many privately
owned Middle Eastern schools. However, we cannot overlook the responsibility
of teachers to exercise 'due diligence' in researching the professional
and ethical climate in such schools. With the amount of communication
now available, not least through ISR, even first-timers venturing
abroad cannot be excused the responsibility of knowing what they
are heading into. If they do know, and still go, then presumably
the anticipated benefits are worth the risk to them. As a school
director, I am always amazed to see many otherwise intelligent
teachers dazzled by the lure of the exotic, or by talk of big money.
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Unfortunately
for the admin, they are between a rock and a hard place, depending
upon their ethics. Perhaps they need to ask themselves what they
would do in the same situation, as a possible means of understanding
the extreme concern of Lavinia. No doubt they too would expect
their contracts to be honored. It is also not true that all teachers
in Kuwait share. I know of several where this is not the case.
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She
should be glad she is out of that country. I think that taking
a position in Kuwait after all that
went on there with Katherine Phillips is risky. And if they will
do that over housing, what if there were other, more important
issues at hand? Shake off the Kuwaiti dust and move on!
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...no
way reputable schools in Kuwait make teachers share housing. Top
schools...ASK, Bayan, Universal....no shared housing.
To insinuate otherwise is completely dishonest and misleading.
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.....I'd NEVER take a job where
that was required! I'm a grown woman and a professional, not a backpacker! |
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...
we learned our lesson in our first International school. We came
to a compromise with the school because that way each party had
met in the middle. Ultimately, it was our fault because we did
not have it written in the contract that we signed. We certainly
learned what to make sure was in our consequent contracts.
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I agree w/ Lavinia's argument
that she should be allowed single housing. On the other hand, I
also agree that school policy is school policy. I think that if
Lavinia had any intention to return, she would have been prepared
to be there at the beginning of the school orientation. That she
had 'other plans' when she was expected back at school shows a
lack of integrity.
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... Search,
CIS and ISS need to play a more defining role in teacher recruitment
when it comes
to sub-par schools... and Kuwait definitely has its share of sub-par
schools. Since teachers don't have a collective voice, sites like
ISR and the recruiters themselves are the only real organizations
we have to assist teachers as they try to secure decent employment.
I am not saying that Kuwait is the only country that has a problem
with schools, all countries and schools have issues. All schools
have various levels of administration competency based on numerous
personal perspectives.
However, Kuwait has more than its fair share of complaints. Where
there is smoke... there usually is fire. I worked in the Middle
East, I traveled to Kuwait for sports
trips, I have been to some of these schools that have been discussed
on this web site. To avoid an unwanted headache, just take Kuwait
off your list of places you would like to teach and
so should the recruiters. I almost forgot... ALWAYS get your agreements
in writing... ALWAYS. |
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I think
Lavinia should not go there under any circumstance and that all
agreements should be made in writing. Also it is inexcusable to
have shared housing for professional adults. No one should justify
that. I love teaching abroad but the nonsense which often goes
along with it-- is often a reason to just stay home and work. What
a shame. My congratulations to Lavinia for standing up for herself. |
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The school's
point of view: The schools is just that a school, it is their
business. They try to get the best deal possible with their teachers,
a deal
that is best for the school. They look for their best interests
first. Let there be no illusions that they are a business,
money is first and foremost. I do see their point about a change
of administration thus a change of ideas and way of running things
and wanting to put those changes in place.
Lavinia's point of view. The school made a promise and they
must honor it, whether the policy has changed or not. Lavinia
must
stand her ground and not give in. If the school initially approached
her openly and honestly about the situation then I would have
suggested that Lavinia negotiate some kind of compromise. The
school did not treat her with the respect she deserved and a
couple of Debbie's letters were anything but sincere and/or honest.
I feel if Lavinia went to the school she would come across many
problems. The school has not honored their agreement nor treated
her with respect Lavinia would be wise to be very cautious before
even think of returning to Kuwait.
I find it interesting that Barbara's respect for Debbie changed
and it goes to show that even a person with integrity can be
easily changed.
ISR provides a service that is seriously lacking in international
teaching and that is the protection of the teacher. Schools don't
seem to understand that a teacher going to another country takes
a risk as they are now dependent on the school for support and
their personal well-being. The teacher's support
system is limited and a teachers ability to protect themselves
is tenuous no matter where they are. Any school taking advantage
of this must be brought to light and teachers must be vigilant
by not going to such a school. If schools can't get teachers
because their practices has lead to a bad reputation then they
must change.
Schools that hire international teachers have always had the
upper hand as there are no real international agreements nor
monitoring of standards or ethical behavior. Schools have been
able to get away with things that a school would never be able
to get away with if it was in the USA, Britain, Canada, Australia,
etc. ISR is finally a place where teachers can begin to send
a message to schools that we are not alone. There is a huge community
of teachers that are talking to each other and supporting each
other. I don't think that there can be a political solution to
the problems associated with overseas teaching and it is good
to
see that teachers have begun to take the matter into their own
hands. I strongly encourage teachers to ask the questions and
get answers and assurances before accepting any contract. If
a school has a bad reputation then avoid them, its the only way
the situation will change. Schools have held a black list over
international teachers long enough it is good to see that teachers
are beginning to create their own black list through
ISR.
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Cut your losses
and return to Kuwait to get your things. She will probably have
to buy a one-way ticket to return home and look for another job.
Good luck. |
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If Lavinia
had a verbal agreement, then she is entitled to the single housing.
This culture goes on so much about honesty and trust, then they
should honor it. The cost of single housing for 1/2 a year was
generous for the school and am surprised they did not take it .
Schools are worried about setting precedents, but surely the other
teachers would understand this situation as being non normal. In
the end , after all that has occurred, Lavinia could never feel
comfortable in that environment. Way too much water has passed
under that bridge. Annon. |
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What is fair
has nothing to do with what will happen in this case. The Kuwaitis
are not serious about contracts as they mean nothing. Even
if you were right and had everything in writing the law would rule
in their favor. Anyone who teaches in Kuwait does so at the mercy
of their employer and nothing more. And don't expect your embassy
(US or other) to bail you out if you get into trouble over there-even
if it is not of your own doing. Anyone who teaches in Kuwait is
a fool or terribly desperate.
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Why all the gnashing of
teeth? Lavinia should have cancelled her contract after three emails.
Like Kuwait is that great a place to live? Puh-leeez....... |
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Lavinia
is right as verbal agreements are binding. Admin is wrong in not
providing a decent solution like giving her one more year of single
housing but making it clear that the next year she will have to
share or pay. Bad school with a bad reputation in a country with
a worse reputation. When will administrators wake up! |
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.....I had
to learn a lot about humility during my teaching in Asia... certain
cultures do not believe in the power of the individual or
standing up for your individual rights or any of those behaviors
that we learn in a democratic nation. So we can't bring our expectations
there and get everything our way. They don't like to give individuals
power, (especially women) and when you demand it you become the enemy.
At least that's what I have found out in my own experience and in
reading about these other cases.
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I think
'fair' would be honoring the single housing promised by the administration.
Note that 'administration'
in my mind is the school as represented by any person in the role
of principal. It should not make a difference if one person is
replaced by another - they both represent the same organization. |
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When a director makes a promise to an employee,
the school needs to support that promise. A verbal agreement is considered
binding in our profession, at least it is at all of the recruitment
fairs. |
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the admin team should have
contacted the past admin team, no matter of the terms of the parting,
to confirm this utterance and verbal witnessed addition to the
contract and then offered a drastically reduced charge accommodation
for separate accommodation until the end of the lady's current
contract. All we have as International teachers are the strength
of good enforceable contracts made in good faith!!! |
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Giving Lavinia
single accommodation when others share would cause hard feelings.
Mr. Kumar seems to have caused the misunderstanding
and should be dismissed. I have to say though, I have taught in
Kuwait for seven years, two different schools, and I know teachers
from
many schools - shared accommodation is NOT the norm, nor has it
been for several years. Schools with shared accommodation here
are indeed
those perceived to be "fly by night" schools. |
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